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Old 04-06-2014, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Like would you say they are the most 'pure' Chinese, meaning that they are closest to the Huaxia who formed the Shang dynasty circa 1600 BC? Like cities like Xian or something. I mean they would have had less mixture with Mongolians, Jurchen, Austronesians, and the other minorities in S.China including Tai-Kadai speakers like peoples in cities like Beijing, Hong Kong, Chengdu etc. I would say people in this region cluster with the Quang, Tibetans and more distantly the Mongolians of the non-Chinese groups.

Basically the boundaries of the Shang dynasty:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shang_dynasty


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Old 04-06-2014, 11:42 PM
 
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Old 04-07-2014, 12:30 AM
 
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^ First is yet another far out theory...
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Old 04-07-2014, 12:41 AM
 
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Hmm .. so beijing sn't considered original chinese ?

Maybe you need a deep understanding of chinese history to answer ? But sorry i dont
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Old 04-07-2014, 12:51 AM
 
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Hmm .. so beijing sn't considered original chinese ?

Maybe you need a deep understanding of chinese history to answer ? But sorry i dont
Well southern Hubei at least. I'd say Beijing was near the northern edge of the dynastic homeland of China. I don't know much about Chinese history, but Beijing was part of the state of 'Yan' during the Warring states:

Warring States period - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Beijing has always been near the northern periphery of the 'original' Chinese homeland.
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:32 AM
 
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Less mixture with Mongolians and Jurchens and cluster wuth Tibetans?

How much mixture with the Mongolians and Jurchens when they invaded and moved their capital to the area in the green line?

As for Tibetans, there were and are very few mixing between the Han and Tibetans. Tibetans look like Han Chinese in the same way Japanese look like a Han Chinese.
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:33 AM
 
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^ You mean southern Hebei?

The Central Plain (Zhongyuan) has often been credited to be the cradle of Chinese civilization. Luoyang in Henan was the ancient capital that is most centrally located. I would think the southern and eastern part of the plain (or even further east up to the coast or as far south as the Yangtze; Shanxi, Henan, Shandong, Anhui and Jiangsu) preserved more of the Huaxia culture, which differentiated itself by being more of an agricultural society. The northern and western part were often attacked by other ethnic groups (Mongolic, Turkic, Manchu, Tibetan, etc.) throughout Chinese history. Hebei (including Beijing) has strong Mongol, Manchu and Tibetan influences, even up to now. Shaanxi has Muslim, Turkic, Tibetan influences not to be found further east. Gansu is too far west and has even stronger non-Han influences.

The state of Qin (based near Xi'an) had a less agrarian culture compared to the other states, and incorporated some culture of the "barbaric" tribes of its neighbors. These skills made them the most powerful state during that time and was the key for defeating all the other states and unifying China. The emperors of the Tang dynasty (also had capital in Xi'an) actually had some Xianbei (Mongolic) blood through the maternal line. It was common practice during that time to intermarry with the nobility of the neighboring tribes in exchange for peace and alliance.

Out of the four ancient capitals of China, I would say Luoyang and Nanjing are more in touch with the Chinese agricultural societies while those based in Beijing and Xi'an are often more war-like with better horsemanship that they acquired from their other neighboring culture.
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:51 AM
 
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I had always believed the North China Plain was the most important and significant region historically due to its fertility and thus ability to sustain a large population.

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