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Old 04-30-2014, 01:41 PM
 
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How about you ask a Tibetan living elsewhere what they think and feel about Tibet? I bet the answer will be quite different. I already it is, as I have some Tibetan friends.
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Old 04-30-2014, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Maybe because the Chinese ppl are subjected to state run media and constantly brainwashed into believing what the gov't says!
As if this doesn't happen in the U.S. with our corporate-run media! Or anywhere else in the world!

Trouble-maker? Let's define trouble!
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Old 04-30-2014, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Western Oregon
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As if this doesn't happen in the U.S. with our corporate-run media! Or anywhere else in the world!
Not to the extent it is in China. Government-blocked internet?
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Old 04-30-2014, 10:21 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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As if this doesn't happen in the U.S. with our corporate-run media! Or anywhere else in the world!

Trouble-maker? Let's define trouble!
There's a pretty large difference there though.
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Old 05-01-2014, 09:06 PM
 
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As if this doesn't happen in the U.S. with our corporate-run media! Or anywhere else in the world!

Trouble-maker? Let's define trouble!
Sure you are right but it's not as bad as CHINA. We can still read other sources of news and circumvent it.
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Old 05-01-2014, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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There are many areas in China that have more restriction and less access to media and freedom. The great firewall is very active and any ability to circumvent it is restricted whenver its found. Did America have re education camps?
Well again, I can access news on CNN, Fox, MSNBC, BBC, AJ, etc here in China. I read an article on the 20tj anniversary of the Tianenmen Square riots and articles about Tibet, etc on my phone while I'm on the Metro, not using a VPN. I can have this discussion with you without a VPN, too. Any other Chinese person could do the same, and there are ways to use proxies without paying a subscription that many people take advantage of. I'm not saying that the censorship doesn't exist or is good, but the extent to which it's prevalent is massively overblown in Western media.
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Old 05-01-2014, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Not to the extent it is in China. Government-blocked internet?
Some European governments variously restrict access to porn and films or TV that is considered to be too violent, but no one criticizes them for it.
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Old 05-01-2014, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Western Oregon
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Some European governments variously restrict access to porn and films or TV that is considered to be too violent, but no one criticizes them for it.
And of course that is the same as having news stations blocked.
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Old 05-01-2014, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Well, truth be told, as far as nations go the only other nation I can think of that could possibly be considered a contender to "biggest troublemaker on Earth" to the same degree that the US is would be Russia, and even then, Russia's sphere of military influence is limited to a fairly short distance from its borders. The conflicts Russia has engaged in since the fall of the Soviet Union are generally in countries on its borders which were formerly part of the Soviet Union, i.e. Ukraine, Georgia, Chechnya. The US' sphere of military influence can be found in most parts of the world, its navy dominates the open oceans, and if they ever wanted to project their military power a great distance they could quite easily as recent and historical wars have shown (Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, etc).

I think that most people the world over would agree that the worst U.S. politicians are the Bush family, and they're certainly on the money for this lifetime. In the past, Richard Nixon would be a contender; thanks to Watergate and the escalation of the war in Vietnam, he's a much-reviled character in the US, though the Chinese position on him is more favorable because of his overtures towards them. Similarly, Henry Kissinger enjoys a favorable view in China because he was the architect of the opening between the US and China, and someone who saw its potential as an economic and military superpower, and partner if not friend, best kept in the US' good graces while most of the rest of the US still thought of China as the ideological brother of its sworn enemy, the USSR.

These days, despite any media commentaries that would seem to indicate otherwise, US-Chinese relations are guarded, but aren't exactly horrible. At the same time that during his recent visit Chuck Hagel was "lectured" by the Chinese that China couldn't be contained and he "warned" China not to meddle with Japan's sovereignity, the fact is that the reason he was there was because our nations are cooperating on a fairly high level. Both sides need to save face with their people and their allies, but they also know what's what.
Your point on Viet Nam is fallacious....it was the sorriest POTUS of the past century ...LBJ... that escalated that atrocity to insane levels and Nixon had to figure out a way to get us the hell out of there...which he eventually did. ...The lying bastard was allowed to leave the White House and retire to Texas - Democratic Underground
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Old 05-02-2014, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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And of course that is the same as having news stations blocked.
It's freedom of speech and expression one way or the other.
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