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Old 04-22-2014, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Our PM is surprised cos he is out of touch with Singaporeans, and we Singaporeans are not surprised he is surprised...
So if your country is full of racist bigots you as PM should agree with them?
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Old 04-22-2014, 05:56 AM
 
Location: singapore
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So if your country is full of racist bigots you as PM should agree with them?
Well, it is a choice of doing what is right and what is populist... It's a choice he made.. And we will make our choice in 2015/2016.

What is populist may not be right, but not standing on populist side will get you nowhere when you lose your support and power..

2015/2016 fighting !!!
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Old 04-22-2014, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Well, it is a choice of doing what is right and what is populist... It's a choice he made.. And we will make our choice in 2015/2016.

What is populist may not be right, but not standing on populist side will get you nowhere when you lose your support and power..

2015/2016 fighting !!!
Who are you to say what he said/did is wrong?

Has there been a poll conducted among Singaporeans asking how many support this event?

Maybe this is what he really believes (yes, I know politicians are notorious appeasers, but it doesn't mean they don't sometimes say what they feel).
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Old 04-22-2014, 06:41 AM
 
Location: singapore
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Who are you to say what he said/did is wrong?

Has there been a poll conducted among Singaporeans asking how many support this event?

Maybe this is what he really believes (yes, I know politicians are notorious appeasers, but it doesn't mean they don't sometimes say what they feel).
My voting card will tell me who i am ..Ha Ha...

I did not say what he did was right /wrong, i just said he choose to ignore public sentiment and the populist route to stand by what he think and is right which is to support the event, even if it means he may lose support and his position next election


Well, public sentiment way be screwed or unreasonable whatever, but the powers of numbers are there ... If we want we will make them realise that without the public they are nothing ..

If we make the wrong choice and is further screwed by a even worst government, well we only have ourselves to blame and account for...
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Old 04-22-2014, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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My voting card will tell me who i am ..Ha Ha...

I did not say what he did was right /wrong, i just said he choose to ignore public sentiment and the populist route to stand by what he think and is right which is to support the event, even if it means he may lose support and his position next election


Well, public sentiment way be screwed or unreasonable whatever, but the powers of numbers are there ... If we want we will make them realise that without the public they are nothing ..

If we make the wrong choice and is further screwed by a even worst government, well we only have ourselves to blame and account for...
Well again, what is the prevailing public sentiment? It seems that Singaporeans are quite divided over this, so if more were against it wouldn't what he be saying be the anti-populist approach? I mean not that he'd go so far as to say 'Filipinos can't have their celebration' but he might reason like you do that not every nationality can have it's national day blah blah. I mean, how many other countries even celebrate their national day in S'pore? Are there Malaysians celebrating their national day? Or Chinese, Indians?

I don't know what the opposition is like, but I don't see them forming government right now. How does another party even arise in a nation which has only known one party?
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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I think the (over)reaction to this celebration is a bit of a scapegoat. People in general are unhappy with the way the government has put to much focus on GDP growth and cheap labor importation and not enough effort to balance out the detrimental effects of these policies. I think the house prices, overcrowded MRT, ridiculous car prices, lack of job security, etc. are the real issues, not somebody celebrating their home-countries independence day.

I do think questions of Singapore Identity are real concerns too--too many people coming in too quickly, and again these types of celebrations can be a focal point for that frustration. This kind of stuff happens everywhere when there is a strong influx of foreigners, and pretty much nowhere has the level of foreign residents that Singapore has (maybe Dubai or some other emirates)

I think this lady's blog is pretty accurate:
https://medium.com/the-singapore-con...n/d0bbd7dd986b
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Old 04-22-2014, 12:44 PM
 
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The "third world scum" thing is hilarious. Don't almost all of Singaporeans descend from immigrants who came from third world countries?
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:56 PM
 
Location: LONDON BABY
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Well how are these maids supposed to assimilate when they're confined to the house most of the day, hardly even allowed a day off? On the rare days off they socialise with their friends and celebrate things like this.

How many Singaporeans are of Filipino ancestry anyway? Would be interesting to know the stats. Well maids aren't allowed to be in relationships in most cases, so not many marry locals.

And those that aren't domestic workers, how many of them choose to get PR or citizenship?

It's funny because I was born a citizen of Singapore but renounced it when I turned 18 since I couldn't have dual citizenship, yet I've never really lived there.
I think you misunderstood his point. He was agreeing with you
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Old 04-22-2014, 04:58 PM
 
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Honestly, I don't know why the Singaporeans shouldn't just pass laws banning Filipinos from entering their country together. Singapore is their home, which means that they should be able to pass laws banning whoever they want to get into their country. The Filipinos should be glad that the Singaporeans are allowing them to enter their country at all, much less trying to celebrate their independence day. Like I've said, if you're poor, then don't have kids and expect others to take care of you. When you are unfit, then you are supposed to die out(or at least have a lot less kids), not leech on other people.

Listen to me, Singaporeans, DON'T allow immigrants to take over your country, especially low IQ ones. Otherwise, they'll just breed, vote for their own representatives, and that's how they can effectively take over your country(which is what the Mexicans are doing to the U.S now). In fact, it only takes a minority to do it. Why? Because depending on how your government works(2/3rd required to pass?), they can just veto any law restricting immigration.

Actually, I have a better solution, what the Singaporeans and Filipinos should do is that they should have a deal that if the Filipinos want to move to Singapore, then the Singaporeans take over the Filipinos government or land, equalling to the land giving up to the Filipinos(either that or tell the Filipino government to send $50-100 million every year), and that contract should hold forever. This is just in case that the Filipinos become rich, they won't just close their borders(which would effectively mean that both Singapore and the Philippines are Filipinos.) Right now, the Filipinos have nothing to lose by opening their borders, because they're poor, and nobody wants to move there. Basically, don't allow immigrants to come to your country for free, instead ask them, what exactly do they have in exchange? To me, this is only fair, the only ones who cry racism would be the lesser party, as they have nothing to lose.
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Old 04-22-2014, 05:39 PM
 
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Honestly, I don't know why the Singaporeans shouldn't just pass laws banning Filipinos from entering their country together. Singapore is their home, which means that they should be able to pass laws banning whoever they want to get into their country. The Filipinos should be glad that the Singaporeans are allowing them to enter their country at all, much less trying to celebrate their independence day. Like I've said, if you're poor, then don't have kids and expect others to take care of you. When you are unfit, then you are supposed to die out(or at least have a lot less kids), not leech on other people.

Listen to me, Singaporeans, DON'T allow immigrants to take over your country, especially low IQ ones. Otherwise, they'll just breed, vote for their own representatives, and that's how they can effectively take over your country(which is what the Mexicans are doing to the U.S now). In fact, it only takes a minority to do it. Why? Because depending on how your government works(2/3rd required to pass?), they can just veto any law restricting immigration.

Actually, I have a better solution, what the Singaporeans and Filipinos should do is that they should have a deal that if the Filipinos want to move to Singapore, then the Singaporeans take over the Filipinos government or land, equalling to the land giving up to the Filipinos(either that or tell the Filipino government to send $50-100 million every year), and that contract should hold forever. This is just in case that the Filipinos become rich, they won't just close their borders(which would effectively mean that both Singapore and the Philippines are Filipinos.) Right now, the Filipinos have nothing to lose by opening their borders, because they're poor, and nobody wants to move there. Basically, don't allow immigrants to come to your country for free, instead ask them, what exactly do they have in exchange? To me, this is only fair, the only ones who cry racism would be the lesser party, as they have nothing to lose.
You do not know what you are talking about. Filipinos who go to Singapore are not leeching on other people. Also, Singapore does not have any naturalization pathways for low-income jobs at all. The maids can be working there for 20 years and have kids there, none of them are granted Singaporean citizenship, hence no benefits. It is a different story for Filipinos who have white collar jobs there.
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