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Old 07-05-2014, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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it is relevant

other countries degenerated immigrant to certain extent, well unless you have money and education. and i don't see pinoy English superior to Singlish. Singaporean learn English since they were little kids, for me they have far superior English than Pinoy
Of course it is irrelevant. Filipinos are not taking over Singapore. They have no claims. They are there at the behest of their employers. Their history has had almost no overlap with that of Singapore. Their numbers and employment are tightly controlled. That they wave flags on their national day should have zero effect on the minds of Singapore Nationalists--very different than say Japanese waving flags in Nanjing.

What you are complaining about and what really hits a nerve among Singaporeans is their very presence. they bud the sh*t out of you. They make you angry because they are there. They anger you because the Singapore nanny state is dependent on them. So let's keep that straight.

More relevant then is (a) the dependency of the nanny state on large inflows of Filipinos and (b) the more cent importation of higher skilled Filipino nurses and college graduates who at your government's invitation are obtaining gainful employment. This too is a source of your angst. Bu who is to blame? The pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness is a universally acknowledged trait of humanity. The seeker should not be blamed. Who issues their visas? offers them employment? Start there.

Finally as to language. Highly educated Singaporeans raised by two highly educated English speaking parents of course speak great English. In fact, highly educated Singaporeans aged 50-70 often speak with a beautiful accent. In fact, among the most charming of English accents. But once we get Singaporeans of the ages that start with Singaporean independence, the English quality starts to deteriorate with a far wider range. Today, there are so many Singaporean youths, say 15-35, who have quite atrocious accents. If often see European businessmen--those raised speaking something other than English--criticizing the English of Singaporeans. Your textbooks are filled with odd grammar mistakes. You are taught a bizarre and uniquely Singaporean approach toward accents on words so that most Europeans (and almost native English speakers) cannot understand you. Most are raised on Singlish--caught in between a triangle of Mandarin (also a foreign import), Malay (which fewer young people speak), Tamil (Even fewer save for Singaporean Indians), and English (which is a learned language for most). The best educated Singaporeans can break out of Singlish and speak great English and Mandarin, they can transition in and out of Singlish. But the typical interaction is with those firmly rooted to Singlish, often unintelligible to the outside world.

But back to the FIlipinos and their English. If one leaves out Filipinos from the bush, the urban Filipino speaks a decent and understandable English. The educated Filipino speaks excellent English. The educated Filipino that can get good paying jobs in Singapore are often from their elite schools and speak perfectly native English. No amount of propaganda can change that perception amongst the Western businesss community.

Finally, Let's remove all your xenophobia and government-fed propaganda from your mind and run the following thought experiment. Start again with the accent of the British educated Singaporeans of the 50-70 age group. Let one representative sit at a table of native English speakers from the English speaking countries and highly educated non-native English speakers from Europe. Now bring in the average 22 year old or 30 year old Singaporean. The difference in quality of English would be astounding to this audience, many of whom would never believe that such utterances are from a native speaker of English. The scientist in you should ask: what the eff happened in our schooling system(s) such that English education has such a bad product? And to be optimistic, ask further about those schools, programs and teachers who are righting the ship--what are they doing to make their students speak English in a manner that is closer in spirit to the older educated Singaporeans?

S.
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Old 07-05-2014, 10:01 PM
 
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Right now, it's your xenophobic rants without any basis here that are more of a laughing stock. Sorry, but due to you and your fellow Singaporean rants here, I just lowered my opinion of Singapore's education standards.
We have one of the best education standard in the world
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Old 07-05-2014, 10:18 PM
 
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replace "best" with "highest"

replace "standard" with "standards"


LOL


What is sad is that Singapore is like the little kid who wants to be accepted by the big kids and simply too hard. When will Singapore reach a first world standard, Singaporean parlance for having made it? When it no longer feels the need to make comments on rankings, on standards, on GDP, etc. All those references are indirect measures of a deeply inferiority complex.

For many Singaporeans I know, such references are unnecessary. They know where their skills and attributes stand. But for the bulk of Singaporeans, especially the young ones, fed the steady PAP diet of propaganda and cherry picked stats, etc. it is almost hopeless.

the only ed standard relevant in this world is critical thinking on matters relevant to the person across the table, at a meeting, or in the audience. Pem123, if you ever learn that lesson, you will be a happy man/woman.

S.
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Old 07-07-2014, 02:52 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Sandpointian View Post
replace "best" with "highest"

replace "standard" with "standards"


LOL


What is sad is that Singapore is like the little kid who wants to be accepted by the big kids and simply too hard. When will Singapore reach a first world standard, Singaporean parlance for having made it? When it no longer feels the need to make comments on rankings, on standards, on GDP, etc. All those references are indirect measures of a deeply inferiority complex.

For many Singaporeans I know, such references are unnecessary. They know where their skills and attributes stand. But for the bulk of Singaporeans, especially the young ones, fed the steady PAP diet of propaganda and cherry picked stats, etc. it is almost hopeless.

the only ed standard relevant in this world is critical thinking on matters relevant to the person across the table, at a meeting, or in the audience. Pem123, if you ever learn that lesson, you will be a happy man/woman.

S.
Singapore is one of the big kids in the world
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Old 07-11-2014, 08:46 AM
 
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Meanwhile, in a lighter note.."Singaporean father tells daughter’s heartwarming experience at a PH public school"
Here's the link of the nice story, which illustrates a more positive viewpoint of some Singaporeans towards the Philippine people.
Singaporean father tells daughter
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Old 07-11-2014, 09:19 AM
 
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heart warming story and a great Dad! thx for posting the link.
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Old 07-11-2014, 06:30 PM
 
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Meanwhile, in a lighter note.."Singaporean father tells daughter’s heartwarming experience at a PH public school"
Here's the link of the nice story, which illustrates a more positive viewpoint of some Singaporeans towards the Philippine people.
Singaporean father tells daughter
Definitely, many Singaporeans appreciate the Filipinos and some of them do care about them.
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