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Old 04-27-2014, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Religion in South Korea:

Christianity - 52%
Buddhism - 22.8%
Irreligion - 46.5%
Other religion - 1.7%

Korean Americans:

Christianity - 71%
Buddhism - 6%
Unaffiliated - 23%
What, that doesn't even add up...

Religion in South Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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I haven't really spoken to my Chinese friend about this, but she didn't really mention being persecuted. It's true that the persecution of Christians is often emphasised, but it's of course hard to know the true figures in countries like China or Myanmar. I have another friend, a Karen from Burma/Myanmar who says that the Karen were heavily persecuted by the Burmese government, partly because many were Christian.
Some of it also has to do with what different cultures view as "oppression."

In the West, not having the freedom to start up your own church and vocally and publicly practice your religion while trying to gain converts is generally viewed as oppressive. In China, it's viewed as something practical. I've spoken to Chinese people who are surprised to find out that anyone in the US can just start their own church, whether or not they are a religious scholar and no matter what the teachings are. There are no thought police in China so you can think what you want and decide that you're going to believe whatever, but the actual public expression of it is something that is regulated... and most Chinese seem to be content with that.

There are certainly countries where Christians are persecuted which is of course not a good thing, though really, China isn't one of them. The Chinese government is not singling out Christians and making them do hard labor or selectively stripping their rights away versus other Chinese citizens. And I get really sick of the narratives of Christian oppression in America, where the decision that a teacher can't fail a non-Christian student for not answering a faith-based question that panders to the teacher's religion is all of a sudden an example of oppression.
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Old 04-28-2014, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Some of it also has to do with what different cultures view as "oppression."

In the West, not having the freedom to start up your own church and vocally and publicly practice your religion while trying to gain converts is generally viewed as oppressive. In China, it's viewed as something practical. I've spoken to Chinese people who are surprised to find out that anyone in the US can just start their own church, whether or not they are a religious scholar and no matter what the teachings are. There are no thought police in China so you can think what you want and decide that you're going to believe whatever, but the actual public expression of it is something that is regulated... and most Chinese seem to be content with that.

There are certainly countries where Christians are persecuted which is of course not a good thing, though really, China isn't one of them. The Chinese government is not singling out Christians and making them do hard labor or selectively stripping their rights away versus other Chinese citizens. And I get really sick of the narratives of Christian oppression in America, where the decision that a teacher can't fail a non-Christian student for not answering a faith-based question that panders to the teacher's religion is all of a sudden an example of oppression.
Yes but how do you know all the goings on of the Communist government? If you're not involved in it, you can't fully know. But yes, there are no doubt exaggerations too.

I think though the government isn't as hostile to religions as it once was, though, as there isn't as much a Mao-style cult of personality anymore.

I agree that Christians aren't really persecuted in the US, although are atheists really persecuted? In Australia they certainly are not. Christians are not persecuted, but sometimes made fun of here, even if we're supposed to be 60% Christian (it feels more like half that really).
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Where Sunday shopping is banned in the USA
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Yes but how do you know all the goings on of the Communist government? If you're not involved in it, you can't fully know. But yes, there are no doubt exaggerations too.

I think though the government isn't as hostile to religions as it once was, though, as there isn't as much a Mao-style cult of personality anymore.

I agree that Christians aren't really persecuted in the US, although are atheists really persecuted? In Australia they certainly are not. Christians are not persecuted, but sometimes made fun of here, even if we're supposed to be 60% Christian (it feels more like half that really).
Atheists in Australia do not sue Christians over religion in public, unlike in the U.S. which is a major problem because atheists seem to enjoy and use their First Amendment rights and issue.
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