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Old 05-06-2014, 01:13 AM
 
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That is why I mentioned Taiwan. In the 1950s Taiwan and China was not too different, but after 30 years with capitalism the educational level was far superior to China who had endured 30 years of socialism.
Taiwan had been a Japanese colony and was not damaged by war.

China had consistent wars from 1937 to 1949. Most of China were much poorer than Taiwan in 1950.
Of course, some places in mainland were better, such as Shanghai, the northeast (Manchuria).
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:24 AM
 
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It is true that socialist countries has a higher literacy rates than countries at the same economic level, but that is because socialism is holding the economic level down, not because socialism is boosting the educational level.
This is a very complicated issue and the underlying causes are not as simple as your claim.

Taiwan, South Korea etc. all received huge funds and political aids from the US, which is by far the most powerful country in the world.

Africa has no socialist country but its economy is like hell. Cuba, in spite of severe sanctions from the west, is better than many Latin American countries in terms of living standards.

Socialism (derived from the Soviet system) does not work well in general, but it would be too naive to assume everything is negative from all aspects. For example, a socialist government generally has tight control on citizens, so they can successfully force children to go to school. Private business may not be allowed, and thus the children won't have anything else to do anyway.
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:39 AM
 
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Are you seriously so effing stupid as to believe that the rest of the world can do anything about it, with China backing them up? Also, I'd like to point out that a country like North Korea gives the Defense Department something to do.
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Old 05-06-2014, 02:19 AM
 
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Sorry my friend, I really think you should go back to your history class. China did not have any intention to go to the Korean war. It was forced to do so, maybe under some wrong assumption that US was going to occupy the Korea peninsula, which posed a great national security threat to China.

However, I would say, the Korea war is the only war in history after the world war two that US did not win militarily.

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Well the Chinese fought in the Korean War to try and take over the whole of the Korean peninsula. Can you imagine if the entire Korean peninsula was the 'Democratic People's Republic' of Korea? How bad was North Korea back then compared to now?
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Old 05-06-2014, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Sorry my friend, I really think you should go back to your history class. China did not have any intention to go to the Korean war. It was forced to do so, maybe under some wrong assumption that US was going to occupy the Korea peninsula, which posed a great national security threat to China.

However, I would say, the Korea war is the only war in history after the world war two that US did not win militarily.
Whatever reason, the Chinese were the main antagonists against the western allies during the conflict.
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Old 05-06-2014, 04:03 AM
 
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Had China not intervened, Soviet Union would. It is a conflict between the west and the east
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Whatever reason, the Chinese were the main antagonists against the western allies during the conflict.
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Old 05-06-2014, 04:38 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Had China not intervened, Soviet Union would. It is a conflict between the west and the east
I think a direct confrontation between the USSR and USA would make things too volatile, that's why they did not directly fight during the Cold War.
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Old 05-06-2014, 05:14 AM
 
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None of the main super powers will ever actually fight each other. Would not end well for either country.
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:15 AM
 
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NK is in China's back yard and nobody will do anything to liberate NK because China has too many troops and enough military might, as well as nukes, that would make any efforts at liberation a nightmare mission to carry out. NK also has a large standing army of their own. China has NK preserved in a bottle for their amusement, China may have changed, but it does not exert any influence on NK to change. If the place is ever to be liberated, it has to come from China. They are capable of doing it, but don't want NK to become another western competitor by joining up with SK, so they do nothing. They also know an invasion with intent to annex NK (what China may like do if they could get away with it) would not go over well on the world stage, bad for business. Chinese leadership looks on NK with nostalgia, China has not yet adopted western political standards, especially the human rights aspect. This may change as Christianity is spreading within China, perhaps that is the only hope for the prisoners in NK to become free, when China will not tolerate it anymore. If not, NK will be just the way it now, 200 years from now, if China wants it that way.
Why would China be stupid enough to "liberalize" NK so that it, just like S Korea, can serve as a military base for the US/West to threaten China itself? If SK does want to reunite, it probably should giving up the role of being America's B*tch first to give some comfort.

I honestly don't know why you guys blow this Christianity in China thing all out of proportion. Christianity will never get anywhere in China. Not in a 1000 years. Once people have become smart enough to give up their gods, there is no way back.

Also, whoever thinks China had any intention to "annex" Korea must be crazy or completely ignortant of Asian history.
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Old 05-06-2014, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Iowa
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Why would China be stupid enough to "liberalize" NK so that it, just like S Korea, can serve as a military base for the US/West to threaten China itself? If SK does want to reunite, it probably should giving up the role of being America's B*tch first to give some comfort.

I honestly don't know why you guys blow this Christianity in China thing all out of proportion. Christianity will never get anywhere in China. Not in a 1000 years. Once people have become smart enough to give up their gods, there is no way back.

Also, whoever thinks China had any intention to "annex" Korea must be crazy or completely ignortant of Asian history.
I'm sure if China would knock out Kim Jong Un, then immediately withdraw from NK and let it reunite with SK, the US would withdraw from Korea. The burden falls on China to do a monster mash on the Kim Dynasty. As I said before, Mao created that mess in the first place, nobody in China wants to live the way they did under Chairman Mao and his Cultural Revolution. Why does China wish to see the people of NK have to live that way, and not lift a finger to stop it, or even speak out against it ? It's a moral issue, they need Jesus, and yes, China does like to annex, how does Tibet feel about being annexed ? How does Taiwan feel about rejoining China ? How does Vietnam feel about having China right next door....they prefer the US. Truth be told, I think Kim keeps that huge army around as much to deter China, rather than for a few thousand American troops to the south.

China needs to atone, Christianity may help China do more than you think. China does not like the US world economic/currency system, it wants more power and respect in the world, how do you get there ? Let's suppose they stopped all the shady stuff like their pal Russia has been doing, and worked harder to fight corruption, withdrew from Tibet, helped put down Kim for good, and gave it's own citizens western style freedoms. Under those circumstances Taiwan would be begging to rejoin China. You don't get there on patent infringement, or sending a team of scientists to the USA so they can crawl thru our corn fields and steal seed corn. You don't get there by ignoring the environment, polluting your soil, using child labor, or any number of issues that need to be confronted and worked out.
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