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Old 05-06-2014, 07:56 PM
 
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Westerners never cease to convert other people, no matter in forms of democracy or Christianity. Anyone who refuses to be converted is labeled as evil and cursed to go to hell, if there's no real action...
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:02 PM
 
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NK is hostile to many other countries because it only receives hostility and sanctions from those countries. Kim family may be evil, but if other governments always threaten to eliminate them, they have no other choice.

It is obvious that NK wants to befriend the US, even if it means to distance China to some extent, but the US does not give them any chance. Even Rodman got confused lol
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:30 PM
 
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I'm sure if China would knock out Kim Jong Un, then immediately withdraw from NK and let it reunite with SK, the US would withdraw from Korea. The burden falls on China to do a monster mash on the Kim Dynasty. As I said before, Mao created that mess in the first place, nobody in China wants to live the way they did under Chairman Mao and his Cultural Revolution. Why does China wish to see the people of NK have to live that way, and not lift a finger to stop it, or even speak out against it ? It's a moral issue, they need Jesus, and yes, China does like to annex, how does Tibet feel about being annexed ? How does Taiwan feel about rejoining China ? How does Vietnam feel about having China right next door....they prefer the US. Truth be told, I think Kim keeps that huge army around as much to deter China, rather than for a few thousand American troops to the south.

China needs to atone, Christianity may help China do more than you think. China does not like the US world economic/currency system, it wants more power and respect in the world, how do you get there ? Let's suppose they stopped all the shady stuff like their pal Russia has been doing, and worked harder to fight corruption, withdrew from Tibet, helped put down Kim for good, and gave it's own citizens western style freedoms. Under those circumstances Taiwan would be begging to rejoin China. You don't get there on patent infringement, or sending a team of scientists to the USA so they can crawl thru our corn fields and steal seed corn. You don't get there by ignoring the environment, polluting your soil, using child labor, or any number of issues that need to be confronted and worked out.
It is quite naive to think a Westernized, Christian China would be pro-American. If anything it would probably be more anti-American since it would a democratic state if it is Westernized. The Chinese don't care much about religion or any kind of government ideology; competition for resources is the main cause of all these conflicts with all of China's neighbors and nothing more.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:03 PM
 
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China and Russia, or should I say Mao and Stalin, are to blame for the evil dynasty in NK getting off the ground in the first place.
Actually, Japan is to blame, try not to forget that. The US not USSR would have been involved in Korea if not Japan invading and occupying it.

Also, it was the USSR, not Russia; Russia was one of the republics within the USSR.

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They sent in troops, air power and equipment to stop the US from making the whole of Korea a free country...
A series of military rulers shows not even S. Korea was a free country; the West has absolutely zero interest in making a country free or not, the West is just interested if the country is aligned with the West or not. The West (US) has more than shown its willingness to assist in overthrowing a democratic regime to install a dictatorship if it suits their needs.

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in the Korean War. Mao provided the model for Kim Sung to set his up his regime and run it the way he did. In fact, Mao had a school of sorts, for communist leaders around the world to come learn the techniques of oppression, he carried the flame of Stalinism long after Stalin was dead. He would teach Ceausescu, Castro, Ho Chi Mihn, any leaders of the communist world that would come and listen to him at the "Mao Cultural Center". Mao would instruct them on how to squeeze the most out of the population back in their home countries, using the most ruthless methods possible, and how to set up a mafia style security forces that would stay loyal to "the leader".
I think Japan showed the area more than enough brutality for people to understand how it works, and how to apply it for their own means. Any special school would just refine this.
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Old 05-08-2014, 12:49 PM
 
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China would not risk their own utter destruction over N. Korea.

They might not like it and might object but at the end of the day, if the UN or Western powers decide to remove the N. Korean dictatorship they will not intervene.
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Old 05-08-2014, 01:25 PM
 
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China would not risk their own utter destruction over N. Korea.

They might not like it and might object but at the end of the day, if the UN or Western powers decide to remove the N. Korean dictatorship they will not intervene.
There is something called "the Security Council" at the UN where China has veto power.
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:40 PM
 
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There is something called "the Security Council" at the UN where China has veto power.
the US only respects the UN security council when it approves its demands.
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:46 PM
 
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NK is hostile to many other countries because it only receives hostility and sanctions from those countries. Kim family may be evil, but if other governments always threaten to eliminate them, they have no other choice.

It is obvious that NK wants to befriend the US, even if it means to distance China to some extent, but the US does not give them any chance. Even Rodman got confused lol
precisely

because the US after so many years is still obessed with ideology and despises any "non-democratic" countries and never intends to stop forcing its own value upon other countries.

Iran is in the same shoes. Everyone seems to think Iran is the evil guy, but seriously, what damage has Iran caused in the past 100 years? It invaded nobody but is surrounded by enemies as well as highly antaganizing western countries. No wonder it wants nuclear weapon to protect itself. Who wouldn't?
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Old 05-08-2014, 03:12 PM
 
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Actually, Japan is to blame, try not to forget that. The US not USSR would have been involved in Korea if not Japan invading and occupying it.

Also, it was the USSR, not Russia; Russia was one of the republics within the USSR.



A series of military rulers shows not even S. Korea was a free country; the West has absolutely zero interest in making a country free or not, the West is just interested if the country is aligned with the West or not. The West (US) has more than shown its willingness to assist in overthrowing a democratic regime to install a dictatorship if it suits their needs.



I think Japan showed the area more than enough brutality for people to understand how it works, and how to apply it for their own means. Any special school would just refine this.
We here in the west want to believe we fought for Korea's freedom, and maybe if you look at it optimistically it could have been a SMALL part of that war- but the reality is Korea was just a proxy war between the US/West and "Communism". The west was fighting the spread of an idea, trying to contain it- there was no real concern for the Korean people or the well-being of that country.

It's the same thing going on in Ukraine now. Both sides (the West and Russia) are to blame because both sides are using Ukraine for their proxy battle trying to gain a leg up on each other- neither side actually cares about Ukraine or its people.
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Old 05-08-2014, 03:21 PM
 
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What if we drafted an army consisting solely of the unemployed people in this country who would be idle otherwise to go fight them? Seriously though, there are too many trouble spots in the world for us to solve.
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