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Old 05-09-2014, 08:00 AM
 
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Even with a very technology disadvantaged army, China dared to fight and defeat the western powers in the 50s. Today, with a modernized and the biggest army in the world, China would sit aside and let US troops march aross its border?
That war wouldnt even be fought with soldiers (primarily) China would be wiped out from nukes and other missiles.
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Old 05-09-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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whatever NK is doing, it is none of US business. If it wants to save the people, it can go to Africa where a lot of people are starving

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I am unaware of SA starving its people and keeping them cut off from the outside world.
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Old 05-09-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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It would be the third world war. US will go back to stone age as well

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That war wouldnt even be fought with soldiers (primarily) China would be wiped out from nukes and other missiles.
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Old 05-09-2014, 08:24 AM
 
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And really, Koreans have to be the most passive and anything but violence people I have ever encountered.
South Korea has had some violent demonstrations over the decades of its existence.
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Old 05-09-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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Even with a very technology disadvantaged army, China dared to fight and defeat the western powers in the 50s.
They did not defeat "the Western powers"! At best, they fought to a stalemate.

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Old 05-09-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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US forces were already at the Korean-Chinese border when China decided to intervene. When the war ended, US forces were forced to retreat to the 38 line. So for China, it is a victory, at least militarily

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They did not defeat "the Western powers"! At best, they fought to a stalemate.

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Old 05-11-2014, 04:38 PM
 
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I don't think it is US obligation to remove any dictatorship. They fight a war to serve their interest. There is nothing wrong about it.

The fact that NK is developing nukes is quite worrisome to the region. China does not want that to happen also. So all the parties try to find solutions to avoid a nuke arms race in the region.

Other than that, NK serves China's interest as being a buffer zone from a US backed SK
Buffer Zone is a old theory, but Chinese does not want American (even though their official name is UN military) just miles away from the boarder. Many S. Koreans won't want to merge with NK as well, because the NK's economy.

I believe that Kim is learning to be Mr. Deng. He wants to build the economy, but under party control, and finally relieve power to a centralized government. I believe Chinese model works better than Germany model.

Also, Chinese won't deploy military like 50s any more, but they will do anything they can do to prevent S. Korea taking over N. Korea. Or, they may negotiate with US over Taiwan/S. China Sea/Mongolia issues if they agree to let S. Korea take over N. Korea.
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Old 05-11-2014, 06:44 PM
 
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Buffer Zone is a old theory, but Chinese does not want American (even though their official name is UN military) just miles away from the boarder. Many S. Koreans won't want to merge with NK as well, because the NK's economy.

I believe that Kim is learning to be Mr. Deng. He wants to build the economy, but under party control, and finally relieve power to a centralized government. I believe Chinese model works better than Germany model.

Also, Chinese won't deploy military like 50s any more, but they will do anything they can do to prevent S. Korea taking over N. Korea. Or, they may negotiate with US over Taiwan/S. China Sea/Mongolia issues if they agree to let S. Korea take over N. Korea.
The Chinese don't want a unified Korea PERIOD! They don't care if it is a pro-American or pro-Chinese regime, they don't want the country unified at all. South Korea's territorial dispute with Japan actually puts China at a bit of unease since Korea actually has some disputes with China in regards to Yanbian province and Paektu mountain. Notice that China only supports South Korea's historical disputes with Japan but never any of its territorial disputes. If a unified Communist Vietnam is any indication of anything even a Korea unified under North Korean rule would most likely be very hostile to China. Kim il-Sung actually had many disputes with China and China even had to cede land to North Korea; just imagine what an ultra nationalistic Korea would begin to demand from China in regards to Yanbian and even some Manchurian land. A Korea unified under North Korea would destroy all of South Korea's investments in China while a Korea unified under South Korea would most likely put American troops near the Chinese border. There is absolutely no positive at all for China if Korea ever unified under either North Korean or South Korean rule, currently the best course of action is to keep Korea divided and make sure that it is never unified regardless of whether the regime is pro Chinese.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:53 PM
 
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red China...north korea makes a great buffer state. remember what toyatoma said," the heart of china is through korea."
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Old 05-12-2014, 06:39 PM
 
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The Chinese don't want a unified Korea PERIOD! They don't care if it is a pro-American or pro-Chinese regime, they don't want the country unified at all. South Korea's territorial dispute with Japan actually puts China at a bit of unease since Korea actually has some disputes with China in regards to Yanbian province and Paektu mountain. Notice that China only supports South Korea's historical disputes with Japan but never any of its territorial disputes. If a unified Communist Vietnam is any indication of anything even a Korea unified under North Korean rule would most likely be very hostile to China. Kim il-Sung actually had many disputes with China and China even had to cede land to North Korea; just imagine what an ultra nationalistic Korea would begin to demand from China in regards to Yanbian and even some Manchurian land. A Korea unified under North Korea would destroy all of South Korea's investments in China while a Korea unified under South Korea would most likely put American troops near the Chinese border. There is absolutely no positive at all for China if Korea ever unified under either North Korean or South Korean rule, currently the best course of action is to keep Korea divided and make sure that it is never unified regardless of whether the regime is pro Chinese.
You look like a South Korean. Obviously, S. Korea's claim on Yanbian or Northeast part of China is not valid. Those claims are just a great dream. By the way, Korea is used to be part of China. Could China central government have claim that S. Korea is part of China?

For DPRK, I am suspecting that if NK really collapsed sometimes in the future, I doubt that Chinese will take over N. Korea and use Hong Kong model. They will grant New N. Korea more and more stuff and take control on Foreign Affairs/Defense/Legal System and relieve all power to N. Koreans.

Please be material on international issues, China and Japan are two key powers in East Asia. South Korea cannot be a vital role in East Asia regardless how strong S. Korea economy is.. Of course, I believe that Chinese have a goodwill to S. Korea to have a better and stronger economy.
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