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Old 05-07-2014, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Western countries certainly have higher pays and are less competitive than in China.
Many educated Chinese will continue to move out.
Of course they will. You acknowledge this, in part because you are Chinese and live in the US (Boston, IIRC? my hometown actually...), I assume for this very reason. You're proud of China and hold various beliefs rooted in pride, but you generally don't distort reality. Previous assertions by these guys are that Boston has a third world educational system, Shanghai is representative of China as a whole on basically all fronts, China's infrastructure and QOL crush that of the West, etc.

My whole question is if China is such a grand paradise and nothing rivals it, why aren't they back here? Could it be because they know deep down that their boosterism doesn't make their dreams reality?
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:40 PM
 
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Of course they will. You acknowledge this, in part because you are Chinese and live in the US (Boston, IIRC? my hometown actually...), I assume for this very reason. You're proud of China and hold various beliefs rooted in pride, but you generally don't distort reality. Previous assertions by these guys are that Boston has a third world educational system, Shanghai is representative of China as a whole on basically all fronts, China's infrastructure and QOL crush that of the West, etc.

My whole question is if China is such a grand paradise and nothing rivals it, why aren't they back here? Could it be because they know deep down that their boosterism doesn't make their dreams reality?
I think they are two different issues.

People choose where to live based on many reasons. NYC or LA is certainly more developed than Boston, but still a lot of Americans would prefer living in Boston.

For me, I choose to live in America because the pays are better and it is less competitive. If I do the same job in China, I can probably get 1/4 wage and work 10 hours a day (simply because many young professionals in China work after hours). But housing in Beijing or Shanghai is pricier than in Boston, etc.
If I am rich, I won't worry about salaries and prices, so my opinions could be very different.
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Old 05-08-2014, 12:55 AM
 
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This is nothing new and the problem is known in China for a few years already.
The most international problem was the tainted milk incident, which affects all the infants in China, the world largest country by population.

Food safety was much much better in Mao's era(Food sale were not intended for profit)
These problems are all due to bad Chinese businesses wanting to make fast money in capitalist and materialistic modern China.
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Old 05-08-2014, 01:02 AM
 
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Censorship in China is mostly on Chinese-language sites and publications. Since most Chinese don't understand English or other languages, most are not aware how other countries' people think of them. State-run media in China often comment other countries negatively.
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I don't think they're netcops, because I'm posting this over my China Mobile phone which obviously has a Chinese IP and haven't been shut down. Granted I'm not slandering China and really, sincerely do love it here, but I've called them out enough on their various errors and fallacies that they probably would block me if they were.

More than anything else, I want to know if they're actually originally from China, and if so how long they've lived overseas, what age they were when they moved to the West, where in China they've actually been and when the last time they traveled around the country was. It seems likely to me that they really are overseas Chinese who have created an idealised image of China in their minds as a coping mechanism for whatever issues they have with life in the West.

If it's so much better here, if the education, standards of living, infrastructure, etc are really so far beyond what's available to them in the West, I don't understand why they don't just move here. Sometimes, their posts seem adversarial to the West and I dont understand why you'd want to live among your enemies.
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Old 05-08-2014, 01:30 AM
 
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Censorship in China is mostly on Chinese-language sites and publications. Since most Chinese don't understand English or other languages, most are not aware how other countries' people think of them. State-run media in China often comment other countries negatively.
I think many Chinese people know how other countries think of them. In fact, all Chinese people agree that Chinese have bad manners (素质低) and bad regulations on average. If you live in China you will know that.

My parents are not functional in English, but they always know China does not have a good image in the west etc. In old days, some international radio channels were popular in China, such as Voice of America, Radio Free Asia, Voice of Free China (Taipei). Those channels were not blocked in my hometown, but were covered with a lot of noise in Beijing.

Nowadays people can browse websites in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Singapore (no they are not all censored).

Of course, uneducated people are always unaware of such things, but it is true in any country.
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Old 05-08-2014, 01:59 AM
 
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Most Chinese still think Japanese viewed them in the same way as in World War 2's days, which is very untrue.
There is a lot of misunderstanding among Chinese on how the Japanese, Americans, other countries. Taiwanese or Overseas Chinese view Mainland Chinese nowadays.
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:57 AM
 
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More chinese understand English than Americans understand Chinese. That's for sure. Do Americans know what other nations view them?

Did you mean American Media comments on China negatively and vice versa?

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Censorship in China is mostly on Chinese-language sites and publications. Since most Chinese don't understand English or other languages, most are not aware how other countries' people think of them. State-run media in China often comment other countries negatively.
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Old 05-08-2014, 07:03 AM
 
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I think they are two different issues.

People choose where to live based on many reasons. NYC or LA is certainly more developed than Boston, but still a lot of Americans would prefer living in Boston.

For me, I choose to live in America because the pays are better and it is less competitive. If I do the same job in China, I can probably get 1/4 wage and work 10 hours a day (simply because many young professionals in China work after hours). But housing in Beijing or Shanghai is pricier than in Boston, etc.
If I am rich, I won't worry about salaries and prices, so my opinions could be very different.
Nobody who has lived in NY ever wants to live in Boston FYI.
And NY is more competitive than anything in China. In China you compete against other Chinese, in NY you compete against the best and brightest of the world.
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Old 05-08-2014, 07:08 AM
 
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Are you kidding? NYC probably has the worse quality of life compared to the rest of US. I lived in Twin cities several years. I found it much more desirable than living in NYC.

What NYC can offer? smelly subway?

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Nobody who has lived in NY ever wants to live in Boston FYI.
And NY is more competitive than anything in China. In China you compete against other Chinese, in NY you compete against the best and brightest of the world.
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Old 05-08-2014, 07:12 AM
 
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Lol. You obviously like suburbia. I party with models and go to fashion shows.
Eat at le Bernadin.
My friends are extremely successful, and from all over the world.
Life is great when you are established here.
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