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Old 05-10-2014, 09:00 PM
 
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actually my experiment worked out very well.

I wanted to see what you guys(the chinese users in these forums) would react to the terrible stuffs happening in china,and your reaction was pretty much what i expected.you didn't say a single word about the activists being arrested or news editor being attacked,but only focused on my personal opinion about macau being over-crowded because of chinese tourists.

And since you brought up that vancouver is visited by 28 millions american tourists....
Macau's size is about 30 km square,while vancouver...the size of the city is about 115 km square,and the size of the whole metro area is close to 3000 km square.

So which place would be more suffocating if 28 millions of tourists pouring in?



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Old 05-11-2014, 09:27 AM
 
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I just figured I'd start this thread since so many other threads seem to be getting taken over by discussion on China; its current status and standing in the world, its projected directions, its social realities and its relations with its neighbors, trade partners, other superpowers, etc.

So who all here has actually been to Mainland China? When, and for how long? For those who are from here originally, how long since you've lived here? Where in China have you been?
I have been to China twice on work assignments that both lasted 4 months each approx. between 2011-2013. I was based in Jinan, the capital of Shandong Province both times but I also did quite a bit of traveling to other locations.
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Old 05-11-2014, 11:23 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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No matter how big it was, they were idiots. Many of those people were famous activists against the government. And then they gather together for a meeting close to the 25 year anniversary of the Tiananmen Square to discuss the Tiananmen Square incident.

From a Chinese government perspective, they may be discussing how to turn people against the government, and to inform people about what happened in 1989, and that's precisely what the government is trying to avoid. Any sensible person would stay far away from a meeting like that. Of course it is not right to arrest them, but the ones in power want to remain in power and the way to do so is to arrest everyone who could cause trouble.

If they just wanted to discuss it, then just invite them over for dinner. As I said, in China you can discuss sensitive issues, just don't make a big deal of it.



Maybe it has come to an halt, but that is because the government is unable to give anything more. Giving more would give them a road to democracy.

I am currently more interested in other reforms than democratic reforms. For instance I was very happy to hear when they liberalized the one child policy and the prison policy.




Hong Kong do not have much option. They were given away by the British, and would have to campaign much harder for independence in 1997. I am sure most would prefer to stay with the UK or become independent.

But I don't think having tourists is a negative thing. Macau without tourists would have been extremely poor. Without Casinos Macau is just a city with no industry and terrible infrastructure. They don't even have a subway.

Macau problem is not the tourists. Macau problem is that they rely too much on casino tax and hence don't get enough tax revenue. What they should do is to impose a 10% gst. That would bring a lot more revenue from tourists which the government could use to help their people.
Eh, I wouldn't say they're idiots so much as willing to stand up to a government that made a historically terrible decision which would probably be better served with a mea culpa and the promise to do better rather than a cracking the whip on a bunch of old folks.
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Old 05-11-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Eh, I wouldn't say they're idiots so much as willing to stand up to a government that made a historically terrible decision which would probably be better served with a mea culpa and the promise to do better rather than a cracking the whip on a bunch of old folks.
That's why I came out as rude to Camlon.But I think he's got good point as well.Maybe they were just too confident about their awful governments.
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Old 05-11-2014, 04:40 PM
 
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I have been to China twice on work assignments that both lasted 4 months each approx. between 2011-2013. I was based in Jinan, the capital of Shandong Province both times but I also did quite a bit of traveling to other locations.
Where are you come from? US or UK? Do you like Jinan?
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Old 05-11-2014, 06:35 PM
 
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Eh, I wouldn't say they're idiots so much as willing to stand up to a government that made a historically terrible decision which would probably be better served with a mea culpa and the promise to do better rather than a cracking the whip on a bunch of old folks.
If you want to stand up to the government, then do it in a way that will make a difference instead of just getting arrested.

The main problem about Tiananmen Square incident is not what happened, but that the government is hiding what happened. And this is not the only incident, the government is hiding a lot about Mao as well to make him look better. People in China deserve to know their real history and not some made up history with the intention to make their past leaders look better.

If they want real change, then they first have to teach people what really happened. People are not going to have much sympathy for them if they think it was just a violent riot.
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Old 05-11-2014, 06:58 PM
 
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If you want to stand up to the government, then do it in a way that will make a difference instead of just getting arrested.

The main problem about Tiananmen Square incident is not what happened, but that the government is hiding what happened. And this is not the only incident, the government is hiding a lot about Mao as well to make him look better. People in China deserve to know their real history and not some made up history with the intention to make their past leaders look better.

If they want real change, then they first have to teach people what really happened. People are not going to have much sympathy for them if they think it was just a violent riot.
I don't think they hide a lot about Mao (unless other people are also involved).
Everyone in China knows the Culture Revolution is Mao's fault, which is also the government's conclusion. Great Leap Forward and the famine following that are also said to be Mao's fault in China.

In the 1990s, many "illegal" books about Mao were popular in China, such as "Mao Zedong and his women", "The Memoirs of Mao Zedong's doctor". My whole family read them including myself. I think Deng Xiaoping's regime actually encouraged the circulation of such books.
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:18 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Actually my experiment worked out very well.

I wanted to see what you guys(the Chinese users in these forums) would react to the terrible stuffs happening in China,and your reaction was pretty much what I expected.You didn't say a single word about the activists being arrested or news editor being attacked,but only focused on my personal opinion about Macau being over-crowded because of Chinese tourists.

And since you brought up that Vancouver is visited by 28 millions American tourists....
Macau's size is about 30 km square,while Vancouver...the size of the city is about 115 km square,and the size of the whole metro area is close to 3000 km square.

So which place would be more suffocating if 28 millions of tourists pouring in?
I don't think we have any Chinese users here on City-Data..
there is over a billion of them you would think we would have at least one of them here lol.
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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^There are some,I was trolling with them lol,it was fun.
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:32 PM
 
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I like China very much because China is brother nation of Thailand. Majority of Thai is come from China and Thai people is look like Northeast Asian because is of same blood.
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