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Old 05-24-2014, 08:52 PM
 
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The US was the only industrialized country that wasn't leveled by WW2. I think it is unreasonable to expect 1 country to maintain sole possession of super power status during a prolonged period of peace time when countries have had enough time to finally rebuild after WW2.

Developed economies tend to slow down after time as % GDP growth. If a country say had 1 million dollars and the made 2 million dollars, they'd have 100% GDP growth. If another country had 1 billion dollars and only expanded their economy by 250 million, that would only be 25% growth. If you compared the two economies it would look like the one that had 100% growth did better, but the one growing at a lower rate made much more money. Developing countries can post large gains in GDP because they have much more space to move up compared to highly industrialized nations that have reached capacity. The same thing will happen to China in maybe 20 or 30 years from now they'll be like the US with steady growth stuck around 2-5%, although China will have a larger economy that the US at that point.
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Old 05-25-2014, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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Whats so absurd about the United States crying about Chinese stealing of trade intellectual property is that the United States voluntarily transferred the essence of their manufacturing capacity to China because it was extremely profitable for corporate management. This cost the United States the loss of 1000 times more jobs than Chinese snooping of emails. If the U.S. government was really serious about this they would change the tax laws regarding offshoring by American multinational corporations and withdraw from all these free trade agreements. This probably would never happen because a lot of American money is invested in keeping the status quo of offshoring and free trade with China.
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Old 05-25-2014, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Western Oregon
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more importantly, transaction will completely bypass US dollar, which is a slap on Obama's face.
BS. The USA doesn't have to be involved in every big transaction. Obama doesn't get personally "mad". Do you count it as a victory in your pretend world? Sheesh. The USA is powerful, but we don't imagine we influence commerce in every case.
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Old 05-26-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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Whats so absurd about the United States crying about Chinese stealing of trade intellectual property is that the United States voluntarily transferred the essence of their manufacturing capacity to China because it was extremely profitable for corporate management.
voluntarily, then accuse China of "stealing jobs" from the US.
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Old 05-26-2014, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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You talk as if the US has to meddle with world affairs.
Just butt out and mind its internal busiess, not possible? What does Syria and Ukraine have anything to do with the US being thousands of miles away? Did anyone attack Washington?

Anyone should know when you account for only 20% of world economy, you are simply not powerful enough to keep paying world cop. Why not return to its founding principles - not caring about world affairs? Does it have enough sh*t at home to care?
You probably should look at how many countries out there would love the US to meddle with the business in their region.Japan,Taiwan,Philippines,Ukraine are all examples.

US is a big bully,everyone knows that,but the fragile,vulnerable,weaker nations(well maybe not Japan since it is pretty strong) that feel even more threatened by their neighbors would still seek help from the biggest bully in the world.That's just a sad truth,and the rules of game.

If other countries in the international community don't want to cooperate with the US,it can't do much about it.There is still this thing called neutrality,but after all NATO is still functioning,Obama still paid Japan,Korea,Philippines,and Malaysia visits(not that it was particularly effective or anything).These countries still have every intention of being the allies of US.If US really wants to "butt off",its allies will be the first one to ask her not to.
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Old 05-27-2014, 03:14 AM
 
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It's just so funny that the US thinks it can "indict" Chinese military officers....as if the US is the world's government.

It's even funnier for the US to claim that the Chinese carry out spy missions for trade secrets to help its state owned companies, while the US "only" carry out spying for security reasons. Right...so the Chinese spy so that they can create jobs for their own people and companies, and the US spies so that it can manipulate world leaders, dominate world politics, create regime change, turmoil and pretense to bomb others back to the Stone Ages and maintain its superpower status.

I would say it's a case of pot calling the kettle....
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Old 05-28-2014, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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It's just so funny that the US thinks it can "indict" Chinese military officers....as if the US is the world's government.

It's even funnier for the US to claim that the Chinese carry out spy missions for trade secrets to help its state owned companies, while the US "only" carry out spying for security reasons. Right...so the Chinese spy so that they can create jobs for their own people and companies, and the US spies so that it can manipulate world leaders, dominate world politics, create regime change, turmoil and pretense to bomb others back to the Stone Ages and maintain its superpower status.

I would say it's a case of pot calling the kettle....
^^^^^^^^^^^^ so you said the end justify the means? You condone the Chinese behavior? Show your true character isn't it?
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Old 05-28-2014, 07:46 PM
 
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Whats so absurd about the United States crying about Chinese stealing of trade intellectual property is that the United States voluntarily transferred the essence of their manufacturing capacity to China because it was extremely profitable for corporate management. This cost the United States the loss of 1000 times more jobs than Chinese snooping of emails. If the U.S. government was really serious about this they would change the tax laws regarding offshoring by American multinational corporations and withdraw from all these free trade agreements. This probably would never happen because a lot of American money is invested in keeping the status quo of offshoring and free trade with China.


Oh I see....you think this is all about snooping on emails? LMAO.....you clearly no idea what's going on. The concern about hacking is the theft of trade secrets, research, patents, intellectual property, etc. which costs us immensely. China artifcally inflates its currency and pays its labor slave wages (at least back in the 1980's) to attract foreign companies.

You are right about the American gov't. if it was serious, it would changed the scenario back then but our politicans were being lobbied by special interests who weren't interested in stopping the movement of jobs, factories, etc to China. America's achilles heel is the lobbying industry. Sadly, they point out the merits of this system, yet neglect to publicize what is wrong with it. Its no wonder there have been reports of foreigners manipulating this system to their benefit.
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Old 05-28-2014, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Oh I see....you think this is all about snooping on emails? LMAO.....you clearly no idea what's going on. The concern about hacking is the theft of trade secrets, research, patents, intellectual property, etc. which costs us immensely. China artifcally inflates its currency and pays its labor slave wages (at least back in the 1980's) to attract foreign companies.

You are right about the American gov't. if it was serious, it would changed the scenario back then but our politicans were being lobbied by special interests who weren't interested in stopping the movement of jobs, factories, etc to China. America's achilles heel is the lobbying industry. Sadly, they point out the mfinancially is system, yet neglect to publicize what is wrong with it. Its no wonder there have been reports of foreigners manipulating this system to their benefit.
Ultimately, IMHO America is its own worst enemy in this regard. The country is run by lobbyists, not the citizens, and the ability for American citizens to have their voices heard is steadily eroding. The same industries and their lobbies who fought for decades for the right to ship American industry overseas to developing nations so they could save on production costs while selling to American consumers at the same prices flip their top and demand government intervention when those nations turn a blind eye to or even sanction the theft of their trade secrets and patents. Blame the free market... if this was happening on. American soil then they could do something about the thieves. America's most financially stable years were ones where companies had no incentive to ship its industry overseas and every incentive to keep it at home and pay American employees.
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Old 05-29-2014, 08:06 AM
 
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Oh I see....you think this is all about snooping on emails? LMAO.....you clearly no idea what's going on. The concern about hacking is the theft of trade secrets, research, patents, intellectual property, etc. which costs us immensely. China artifcally inflates its currency and pays its labor slave wages (at least back in the 1980's) to attract foreign companies.
You do know the US/CIA snoops around just as much as, if not more than the Chinese? For Christ's sake, even Merkel's phone was hacked. All countries do this, and among major countries, no one is morally better. It is just a matter of getting caught or not.

China artificially inflates its currency? When and how? I thought China was always accused of undervaluing its currency?

Slave wages in the 1980s? A poor country always has much lower wages, what's so surprising? Look at Vietnam, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, they all have even lower wages. Does it mean they are all doing something wrong to attract foreign companies? Do you expect a Chinese worker to be paid US$3000 a month?
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