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Old 05-28-2014, 06:42 AM
 
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Chinese Malaysians controlled a lot of the economy and owned a lot of capital, even moreso before (one can debate the fairness of their acquisition but I won't go into that). What is undeniable is that they largely built modern Malaysia from an economic standpoint. Further alienating them and pushing them out will not fair well for Malaysia, unless more entreprenueral Malay business people can fill the gap.
Definitely. I just fear you'll see this struggle in a democracy which you don't in the more or less absolute monarchies of the middle east.
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Old 05-28-2014, 08:07 AM
 
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Why not? if both cities, i.e. JKT and MNL, sustain their good governance and sound economic and financial management, then i believe they will become global cities like SG or even overtake it. Both cities have lots of potential to be glibal cities.

let's just be happy for both cities...
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Old 05-28-2014, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Philippines has become the fastest growing economy in SEA for 2 years in a row now and still maintaining it. Tomorrow will be the released of PH1stquarter GDP for this year and it is expected to outshine the rest of ASEAN members.

Imperial Manila is still prevalent hence the growth is still focused in Greater Manila area so this globalcity is highly possible.

Can Manila overtake Singapore? Why not. This is the generation of information technology. Everything can be done in remote, the reason why BPO businesses are flocking to Manila and to some extent Cebu City. All these service related businesses are considering cost (labor, utilities etc..), businesses don't care about the quality of governance, corruption level, as long as they are making money out of their remote operation. THese BPO business makes other sectors lucrative like real estate and construction. Give it another decade, this is a matter of changing the policy and mindset, something that the economists are suggesting to PH government. PH is very protectionist country interms of foreign investment, Singapore is wide open to anyone who would want to put up his business in a matter of days.

Singapore currently have 2 integrated casinos and Manila only have 1 but will be four in 2017. Manila is expected to take the casino market out of Singapore and Macau. I don't think Jakarta would venture into this business.

The Greater Manila Area are poised to become the center of future industrialization (manufacturing, shipbuilding, automotive). Something that Singapore will never be competitive at. Because this is labor intensive industry and low salary jobs.

The PH Department of Tourism are working double time to strengthen PH tourism. Sophisticated airport which will serve as Manila's gateway is now currently under proposal and expected to finish by 2020. The "English Education" tourism is attracting Koreans, Japanese and Russians to come to Manila to study english language at a very minimal cost.

I'm not sure about Jakarta and I hope someone would give some good facts about the future direction of the city. Let's not dwell on issues like garbage, corruption, slums, it is not the method we are looking at but the RESULTS!

Cheers!
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Old 05-28-2014, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Jakarta is a city that tops the worlds luxury housing price growth and growth in office space growth for lmost 3 years in a row now, so the city is definitely are booming very fast, plus indonesia manging to retain its "6"% growth for years now boosting its infrastructure and growth in wealth income, the prime city of indonesia benefits quiet a lot and so does the more isolated provinces. We are currently building up airport for jakarta after opening few others in many of its provinces. As the population is huge there are many labor incentive with low cost, and the government recently banned mineral export to reduce natural resource export with more effort coming after the election, buying refineres and mnufacturing plant and building new one in the coming years in hope to achieve mass industrilitation of its natural produce by 2020 and stop relying on selling raw materials.

The city's population are very consumptive (which also explins its strong domestic market) and its middle-upper class are booming like mad, expecting to have 16 million more "class A" popultion by 2020 who are endlessly buying high end products (today the number of class a alredy huge with big popultion). It is unquestionable that indonesian are droving its neigbor's tourism as well as luxury good product sales, plus with cheaper flight the middle class are now reaching many parts of the world, eager to explore.

As for city governance it is improving a lot with our good govner jokowi, the actual only person who want to actually improve this uttely corrupt hellhole, but he is runing for presidential currently since he is receiving too much support from lots of people and is accepting this role a little too fast (but then better than chinese onslaughter lamebrain leader prabowo or lapindo mudflood bakrie) for presidential if jokowi wins, we are very likely to pace and move forwrd for even better future but if not, i doubt we will actually make a good improvement... As long he doesnt become megawati's (our lame ex female president and daughter of the first president) puppet... And his replacement jokowi's right hand man, ahok would be a good governer for this city as he have proven it.

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Old 05-28-2014, 10:41 AM
 
Location: No. Virginia, USA
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Jakarta is a city that tops the worlds luxury housing price growth and growth in office space growth for lmost 3 years in a row now, so the city is definitely are booming very fast, plus indonesia manging to retain its "6"% growth for years now boosting its infrastructure and growth in wealth income, the prime city of indonesia benefits quiet a lot and so does the more isolated provinces. We are currently building up airport for jakarta after opening few others in many of its provinces. As the population is huge there are many labor incentive with low cost, and the government recently banned mineral export to reduce natural resource export with more effort coming after the election, buying refineres and mnufacturing plant and building new one in the coming years in hope to achieve mass industrilitation of its natural produce by 2020 and stop relying on selling raw materials.

The city's population are very consumptive (which also explins its strong domestic market) and its middle-upper class are booming like mad, expecting to have 16 million more "class A" popultion by 2020 who are endlessly buying high end products (today the number of class a alredy huge with big popultion). It is unquestionable that indonesian are droving its neigbor's tourism as well as luxury good product sales, plus with cheaper flight the middle class are now reaching many parts of the world, eager to explore.

As for city governance it is improving a lot with our good govner jokowi, the actual only person who want to actually improve this uttely corrupt hellhole, but he is runing for presidential currently since he is receiving too much support from lots of people and is accepting this role a little too fast (but then better than chinese onslaughter lamebrain leader prabowo or lapindo mudflood bakrie) for presidential if jokowi wins, we are very likely to pace and move forwrd for even better future but if not, i doubt we will actually make a good improvement... As long he doesnt become megawati's (our lame ex female president and daughter of the first president) puppet... And his replacement jokowi's right hand man, ahok would be a good governer for this city as he have proven it.

When will it build a subway or an elevated tram system like Skytrain? I was just there, and I think one of its biggest problems is everything moves by surface transportation, i.e., cars, trucks, buses on roads. Until you get a modern transportation system like Singapore, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, I think Jakarta's prospects for moving into the big leagues of global cities will be difficult.
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Old 05-28-2014, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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When will it build a subway or an elevated tram system like Skytrain? I was just there, and I think one of its biggest problems is everything moves by surface transportation, i.e., cars, trucks, buses on roads. Until you get a modern transportation system like Singapore, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, I think Jakarta's prospects for moving into the big leagues of global cities will be difficult.
Thats a big issue indeed as Jakarta is the world's largest city without a MRT system.. It is currently building one line of MRT stretching from north to south, currently is still land preparation stage, but the drill to dug the soil already arrived, there is some minor problem with the softness of the soil unlike the more tougher-rocky soild of KL or Singapore, which makes the soil test and planning slightly longer.. should be done by end of 2016 (if we are being optimist) but i would say 2017-early 2018 most likely that the MRT would fully functioned, there are also plans to build a second line afterwards stretching east to west... and there is some effort to integrate the busways and urban rail transport as well in order to move the population more orderly, they also improve the urban railway (krl jabodetabek which moves millions from the greater area of the city) who used to climb to the tops of the train like in India atleast they don't now and they civilized loads of the crumbling old malfunctioned facilities of the stations too.. They also order more busses for the busway and creating some new lines for it so that it covers larger part of the city, but the major problem is that its not integrated enough.

the plan:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4NEnVTpjJi...25283%2529.JPG
Here are some pic of the current progress (nothing much yet):
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5557/...6636e7bd_b.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2920/...efaa8d82_b.jpg

Currently the biggest issue i can't stand is basically the city is pedestrian's hell... since Dutch colonial times it was never properly paved enough and there's very little effort to improve the issue, they rather ignore the fact that without proper pavement for people to walk around, people would still rather took their motorbikes to travel.

There are also issue for the city, with rising sea water threat and people collecting water from the soil causing the soil level to go down, but the govt already made an agreement with Holland to address it, we will make a huge sea dam to prevent the city from drowning.

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Old 05-28-2014, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Philippines has become the fastest growing economy in SEA for 2 years in a row now and still maintaining it. Tomorrow will be the released of PH1stquarter GDP for this year and it is expected to outshine the rest of ASEAN members.

Imperial Manila is still prevalent hence the growth is still focused in Greater Manila area so this globalcity is highly possible.

Can Manila overtake Singapore? Why not. This is the generation of information technology. Everything can be done in remote, the reason why BPO businesses are flocking to Manila and to some extent Cebu City. All these service related businesses are considering cost (labor, utilities etc..), businesses don't care about the quality of governance, corruption level, as long as they are making money out of their remote operation. THese BPO business makes other sectors lucrative like real estate and construction. Give it another decade, this is a matter of changing the policy and mindset, something that the economists are suggesting to PH government. PH is very protectionist country interms of foreign investment, Singapore is wide open to anyone who would want to put up his business in a matter of days.

Singapore currently have 2 integrated casinos and Manila only have 1 but will be four in 2017. Manila is expected to take the casino market out of Singapore and Macau. I don't think Jakarta would venture into this business.

The Greater Manila Area are poised to become the center of future industrialization (manufacturing, shipbuilding, automotive). Something that Singapore will never be competitive at. Because this is labor intensive industry and low salary jobs.

The PH Department of Tourism are working double time to strengthen PH tourism. Sophisticated airport which will serve as Manila's gateway is now currently under proposal and expected to finish by 2020. The "English Education" tourism is attracting Koreans, Japanese and Russians to come to Manila to study english language at a very minimal cost.

I'm not sure about Jakarta and I hope someone would give some good facts about the future direction of the city. Let's not dwell on issues like garbage, corruption, slums, it is not the method we are looking at but the RESULTS!

Cheers!
But they'll all end up sounding like pinoys! lol
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Old 05-28-2014, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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But they'll all end up sounding like pinoys! lol
It is the learning that counts not the accent. Besides Pinoy accent is neutral unlike Singapore and Malaysia.

If i may add, most of english schools in PH do have good accent trainors. They can mimic American and British accent effortlessly!
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Old 05-28-2014, 05:52 PM
 
Location: singapore
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It is the learning that counts not the accent. Besides Pinoy accent is neutral unlike Singapore and Malaysia.
Hi you are in Singapore but are you a Singaporean ? Or an expat ?
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Old 05-28-2014, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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It is the learning that counts not the accent. Besides Pinoy accent is neutral unlike Singapore and Malaysia.

If i may add, most of english schools in PH do have good accent trainors. They can mimic American and British accent effortlessly!
'Neutral'? Haha. What is 'neutral'? The prestige American accent? The Filipino accent is a strong ESL accent like any other. And why would you want to sound American if you aren't?
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