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Old 06-01-2014, 09:54 AM
 
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Not a chance! What I am talking about is that visiting North Korea is like visiting a supermaximum security prison in the fact that one false step will rather easily get you penalized by the North Korean authorities and likely even tossed into one of North Korea's brutal prison camps, although it would be worse for your guides. Plus, your money spent for the tour would go to support North Korea's brutal, iron-fisted dictatorship.
They will protect your safety because they are making money from you. So, they will not allow you tour independently rather than in a group. You should know that there are only a handful of Americans was arrested/detained overthere in the past 10 years, but there maybe over 5,000 or even more Americans visit there every year. So, I believe that safety is not a problem at all. Did you hear any Chinese visitors' were robbed at NK?

For Europe, there are numerous Chinese visitors were robbed in Paris/Berlin/London etc.. Chinese visitors even got robbed in Copenhagen..

If you want to tour independently or want to do anything cross the NK's line, you will definitely got some trouble. You won't shout out at cops when you were pulled over at your state. So, please do not do it in NK as well. You will be 100% fine.

By the way, if US won't interfere in 1950s, NK may not looking like this.
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Old 06-01-2014, 05:54 PM
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Thousands of Chinese travel to north Korea every year. Nothing bad happened. It is zillion times safer for tourists than most European countries.

Of course you have to be a real tourist not some priest trying to do human trafficking.
You just stole the words right out of mouth...it is safer there than any other place around world. You don't have to worry about pick pockets or stuff getting stolen and about getting ripped off by some merchant. If you go with the tour group , there is nothing to worry about. Thousands and thousands of people have traveled there over the past 3 yrs, so it isn't like something new that we have to worry about. Just respect the country while there and you have nothing to worry about....there was one guy who decided to stray from his group, but nothing happened to him either. His tour guide got scolded, but that is all that happened.
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Old 06-01-2014, 08:34 PM
 
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I'd like to take the "government tour" of North Korea one day, but I'm under no illusion that it'll show what the country is really like. From what I've seen, it's very controlled and managed and tourists never get to get away from their guides. But I'm sure that at one point during the trip I'd see something unexpected or unplanned that would show the real side of the country and it would all be worth it.
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:04 AM
 
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You just stole the words right out of mouth...it is safer there than any other place around world. You don't have to worry about pick pockets or stuff getting stolen and about getting ripped off by some merchant. If you go with the tour group , there is nothing to worry about. Thousands and thousands of people have traveled there over the past 3 yrs, so it isn't like something new that we have to worry about. Just respect the country while there and you have nothing to worry about....there was one guy who decided to stray from his group, but nothing happened to him either. His tour guide got scolded, but that is all that happened.
I really wouldn't categorize that kind of travel as MUCH SAFER compared to other countries. If people so choose, they can go on FULLY escorted tours in a lot of cities in Europe, the USA or Canada. For example, guides meet them at the airport, only choose to go to tourist sites like museums where there are no or very few touts inside, only take the officially provided transportation (no public transportation), all meals provided by the tour itself, never talk to any people aside from the guide or driver. If you do all that, there are still most likely a lot more to see in Paris or Rome than Pyongyang, while the probability of you being a victim of petty crime is also very, very small. People might say, what kind of vacation is that then if your visit is limited to that? Which goes back to, what kind of vacation do you think people get when they go to North Korea?

I certainly do not feel safe in a country where you might be safe from petty crime, but you still have to walk a fine line. What if you inadvertently see something you are not supposed to somewhere, or if you inadvertently say something that is interpreted as offensive to the Dear Leader? Does your mobile phone even work there? Also, if ever you get sick (food poisoning, appendicitis or any other things that might happen), will the doctors in North Korea be able to attend to you?
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Old 06-02-2014, 03:49 PM
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I really wouldn't categorize that kind of travel as MUCH SAFER compared to other countries. If people so choose, they can go on FULLY escorted tours in a lot of cities in Europe, the USA or Canada. For example, guides meet them at the airport, only choose to go to tourist sites like museums where there are no or very few touts inside, only take the officially provided transportation (no public transportation), all meals provided by the tour itself, never talk to any people aside from the guide or driver. If you do all that, there are still most likely a lot more to see in Paris or Rome than Pyongyang, while the probability of you being a victim of petty crime is also very, very small. People might say, what kind of vacation is that then if your visit is limited to that? Which goes back to, what kind of vacation do you think people get when they go to North Korea?

I certainly do not feel safe in a country where you might be safe from petty crime, but you still have to walk a fine line. What if you inadvertently see something you are not supposed to somewhere, or if you inadvertently say something that is interpreted as offensive to the Dear Leader? Does your mobile phone even work there? Also, if ever you get sick (food poisoning, appendicitis or any other things that might happen), will the doctors in North Korea be able to attend to you?
Well, if people decide to go for a vacation in N.Korea, they already should be aware of the limited site opportunities and control, but that is what the whole experience is about. People are curious about the reclusive nation. It was similar to my friend's visit in E. Germany before 1990. He wanted to experience it before communism fell.

Keep in mind the people(expats, etc.) who were imprisoned in N.Korea didn't just inadvertently see something, or accidentally being somewhere they're not suppose to, etc....if you're part of the tour, there shouldn't be an issue. The N.Koreans want that tourism $ and they're going to keep things going. As far as being sick, i've read that they do care for sick tourists with med vac and everything was fine in Pyongyang. They've recently allowed phones as long as no GPS is used as well as IPADS, laptops. They've also recently allowed internet access at the hotels for tourists from what i heard. The only reason i might be discouraged from visiting N.Korea is being put on the U.S. no fly list or flagged everytime i fly in the U.S or abroad because of the trip and that i was born in S.Korea though i'm not Korean. One guy mentioned that he also was on the tour with some S.Korean Americans and no problems arising for them. Some tours are better than others, so you have to do some homework and decide which is best for you.

Thousands of tourists(Americans, Europeans, etc.) have visited without having issues, but we never hear about that.

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Old 06-03-2014, 03:57 AM
 
Location: American Expat
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Everyone traveling to North Korea pumps desperately needed foreign cash into the country and supports the Nazis in this country who murder their own people. That the Chinese love that isn't surprising.
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Old 06-03-2014, 06:49 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Can't see anyone wanting to tour North Korea, other than having the shock value of telling your friends where you have been. An organized tour of regulated and selected sights is not the most thrilling way to see a country. I would rather take my chances with crime in Europe and America and get to see and go where I want and actually experience the real world. Even touring in Russia gives your more options to go and see things that you might actually want to see.

The biggest crime is that the North Korean State feels that it's own citizenry are so treacherous and dangerous that everyone needs to be controlled with an iron fist and that each and every "tourist" has ulterior motives.

And come on now, does the Dear Leader really really really think that anyone in the world actually wants to invade and have to then support North Korea?
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Old 06-03-2014, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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You get to see some of the most extreme reality though, like the poor 4th world villages that is worse than anywhere you would see in Africa. Its everywhere in youtube if i wasnt mistaken and you can actually see what they experience in the tour. Locals arent allowed to have a contact with foreigners though, i dont really understand why since majority of the probably cant speak english anyway.

There is one video i see where one of the tourist lend his ipad to a girl in a hotel bar, she seems thrilled by playing it, in a way it makes me feel sad.... If they havent follow path to their own demise, it would have been better part of the world.
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:53 AM
 
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Another American detained.

North Korea says it is holding an American tourist
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Old 06-06-2014, 01:37 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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never, ever, under any circumstances whatsoever relocate to North Korea at all!
Well, there goes my lifetime dream of opening up a karaoke bar / English-language school in the bustling, ultra-modern suburbs of Chongjin.
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