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Old 07-11-2014, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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I attended a few pujas in bali; it's not a liberal version of indian Hinduism. It's a simplified version that seems to have interpreted different elements through hearsay (likely because indians didn't do the actual conversion of the population; likely indianized migrants from mainland SE asia). What is practiced in bali are the elements if the religion that most conveniently fit the local animist culture.

Regarding caste, there is a caste system (one can identify a Brahman, Vaisya, Sudra, etc. based on name). 90% of the population is Sudra which is perhaps why the caste system doesn't seem as defined as in India.


Finally, Nepalis are not austronesian. They are a mixture of indo Aryan, Dravidian, and Tibetan. Plains inhabitants are aryan/dravidian while highland are more Tibetan mixed. The architecture of Kerala temples is more similar to Balinese style than Nepali
The similarity between Indonesian and Nepali culture can be seen, because both are Indianized states, and the pagodas happened to look similar. It is possible that Nepali visited Indonesia to spread the Pagodas culture like what they did to China. The Indonesian however began that process of change in the 14th centuries, and the temple are staring to be built in pyramid architecture, one thing they retained is the pagodas. Unfortunately Pagodas today are commonly associated with Chinese culture rather than Nepalis/Indian.

Idk who spread the Hinduism to Bali, but the Indian are the one who spread first to the archipelago. And yes there is lots mixing of culture in Indonesia when Buddhism and Hinduism arrived, and because of it, both religion are commonly seen as similar, and are duo-practiced by the people.

You would be surprised at how many Hindus celebration the Balinese still had while it had dissapeared in Indian culture, such as full moon tilem praying or Galungan. But they didn't practice Thaipusam or any sort of. Balinese Hinduism is only divided into 3 followers: Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. Lots of people seems to despise the follower of Shiva, but the others seems to be ok.

Regarding the caste system, the people generally didn't look up or down on society as the Indian did, i happen to know a person of Ksathriya background. And because the society are mainly agrarians, there is no tradition for families to carry up names, there never has been male preference in the country. Family names are only brought by royal families, but not really the general population. Caste system however are the thing that brought Hinduism down (along with Buddhism because of the mix practice makes caste system so prominent), as wealth gap and jealousy rises to the 90% of the Sudras, Islam are seen as promise for equality.

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Old 07-11-2014, 10:59 PM
 
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I attended a few pujas in bali; it's not a liberal version of indian Hinduism. It's a simplified version that seems to have interpreted different elements through hearsay (likely because indians didn't do the actual conversion of the population; likely indianized migrants from mainland SE asia). What is practiced in bali are the elements if the religion that most conveniently fit the local animist culture.

Regarding caste, there is a caste system (one can identify a Brahman, Vaisya, Sudra, etc. based on name). 90% of the population is Sudra which is perhaps why the caste system doesn't seem as defined as in India.


Finally, Nepalis are not austronesian. They are a mixture of indo Aryan, Dravidian, and Tibetan. Plains inhabitants are aryan/dravidian while highland are more Tibetan mixed. The architecture of Kerala temples is more similar to Balinese style than Nepali
Of course, who's suggesting Nepalis are Austronesian??
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Old 10-31-2017, 06:44 PM
 
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But Western Indonesia has a lot of influence from Mainland Asia, so the original Austronesian culture is not as easy to see.
No,indonesian has many similarities with filipino than mainland asian there are many opinions of Indonesians who visit philipines/manila their write many blogs, almost all of them write Indonesia have similarities with filipona, especially culture and physical appearance as I quoted from the writing on Indonesian blog "At a glance, the Filipino and Indonesians are difficult to distinguish, brown / light skin, normal size eyes, black hair, and medium height.From some blogs that contain the experiences of writers who have been traveling to the Philippines, they are often invited to communicate in Tagalog. local thought that the travelers from Indonesia were Filipinos, and the unique again, Both Indonesia and Philippines are the largest provider of manpower in the world " ---> Indonesia dan Filipina, Seperti Saudara 'Kembar' - Catatan Anak Rantau
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:11 AM
 
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No,indonesian has many similarities with filipino than mainland asian there are many opinions of Indonesians who visit philipines/manila their write many blogs, almost all of them write Indonesia have similarities with filipona, especially culture and physical appearance as I quoted from the writing on Indonesian blog "At a glance, the Filipino and Indonesians are difficult to distinguish, brown / light skin, normal size eyes, black hair, and medium height.From some blogs that contain the experiences of writers who have been traveling to the Philippines, they are often invited to communicate in Tagalog. local thought that the travelers from Indonesia were Filipinos, and the unique again, Both Indonesia and Philippines are the largest provider of manpower in the world " ---> Indonesia dan Filipina, Seperti Saudara 'Kembar' - Catatan Anak Rantau
of course, you seem to forget that Indonesians, Malaysians and Filipinos are of Malay stock. so naturally, they share some similarities in culture, language.


Polynesians share the same ancient ancestors with these Malays. that's why their language/dialects is called Malayo-Polynesian. they are also sea-faring people.


but now, a behemoth wants to claim all the seas in south china sea claiming that they discovered it first. what a joke.
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Old 11-02-2017, 01:51 AM
 
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of course, you seem to forget that Indonesians, Malaysians and Filipinos are of Malay stock. so naturally, they share some similarities in culture, language.


Polynesians share the same ancient ancestors with these Malays. that's why their language/dialects is called Malayo-Polynesian. they are also sea-faring people.


but now, a behemoth wants to claim all the seas in south china sea claiming that they discovered it first. what a joke.
I agree with your comment

Polynesians and micronesians even hawaii have close kinship with south east asian or malay , that is why they is more like us

same like indonesia one island claimed to belong south china, but that is not true
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