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Old 07-24-2014, 03:54 AM
 
Location: La Muy Noble Leal Ciudad de Iloilo
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Why didn't Americans migrate to the Philippines like the Latin-Americans?

I find this so weird that the Americans didn't migrate to the Philippines the same way the British migrated to America.

During the 1790 Census (The first Census done by the USA), of the total population, which was 3,929,214, 74.3% of the population was British-American.

Source: English American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




In this corner of planet, we are basically an island or a fortress of the Latin-rite surrounded in a sea of Moors. And we fought for the Latin-rite, tooth and nail for 400 years, outnumbered and surrounded by people who constantly hate and reject us, AND in addition this, we tolerated Hispanic bigotry when España colonized us... All for Christ's sake!

And then I hear people say that the Mejicans and Españoles don't even consider Filipinos Latin? When we have more of a right to be called Latin than let's say Mejicans... We certainly fought alot more people because of the Latin ideal and had almost nobody in our immediate vicinity to back us up.


At least for Spain and for Latin-America, you all have Latin neighbors around you. (From Mexico City down to Buenos Aries, all in the immediate neighborhood are more or less Latin) while in Europe (Madrid to Rome are also more or less are Latin neighbors) whereas, in here, where is our nearest Latin-neighbor? East Timor? [Lol we're not contiguous with each other] Mexico? [That's already a place in the opposite position of the globe! Heck Hong-Kong and New York are already opposite time-zones and Manila and Mexico are also roughly opposite time-zones.]


And after all this, we are totally not Latin at all! (In Latin-America's and Latin-Europe's eyes)



If you people deny us our Latin-blood due to dilution then you can never deny us our Latin-blood through blood-shed. And thus through bloodied faithfulness to the Latin-rite we are Latin BY RIGHT of WAR.




Filipinos are more Latin than Latin-Americans at least by right of war.

Now, as for Americans of the USA proper...

You rendered all our efforts naught. Whereas if a couple generations ago, you came here just as your ancestors came from Europe, we were at a point that we were admixed enough to express European recessive genes adequately when we race-mixed with you, so much so that the flower of Christian-Western civilization here should've bloomed like rose in full blossom, but all our efforts have been trampled underfoot, our ancestor's legacy diluted and what's worse is that you mongrelized your own European heritage to increasing amounts of Africans and Middle-Easterners. Not that there is anything inherently wrong with being from other races, but we just have to accept the fact that European recessive traits are more attractive. Sure, Asians are the smartest or Africans are the most physically strong, but we have been chaste and breeding ourselves for these recessive traits for several generations while, under-Spain, only to have that diluted under America who in addition to not only giving a damn to our struggles threw away your own European legacy...

Don't bother anymore now. It's already too late. You guys should have acted when there was a ratio of 76 Million Americans to 9 Million Filipinos (Most of whom were part Latino or Part Spanish). Now, you can't even make a dent with a ratio of 300 Million Americans to 100 Million Filipinos (Most of whom now hold ridiculously diluted European blood).

I just ask this question now...

Why didn't Americans immigrate to the Philippines?

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Old 07-24-2014, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Macao
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Why didn't Americans immigrate to the Philippines?
Are you serious?

The United States is enormously huge...during the very short little time period when the Philippines was still a little colony, much of the U.S. was still absolutely vacant, and many Europeans were still coming to the U.S. for the first time to 'settle lands', etc.

Europe to elsewhere makes sense. They were crowded, and little available farmland, etc. The Americas offered it in abundance, and the immigration laws were so favorable during that time, that they were practically giving land to Europeans to come over to the U.S. and farm.

The Philippines was way way off the radar screen, and Americans weren't the ones emigrating, it was Europeans from Europe. People wanted to go to the U.S. during that time, they didn't want to leave the U.S. at that time.
 
Old 07-24-2014, 08:09 AM
 
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As you point out it already had 6 million people, and it was heavily Catholic. Historically, the Americans who moved outside big cities were Protestants seeking land. The Philippines would have been more adverse on both counts than much of the US then.
 
Old 07-24-2014, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Macao
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See this is the problem. I asked why the Americans didn't migrate TO the Philippines which had a population 70x smaller than America then. However, you automatically responded through gut-response saying how Filipinos should migrate to America. Which we did since time immemorial as your own posts say.

But in doing so. There is this huge descripency wherein a puny-populated colonized country (The Philippines) has a larger presence in America, than Americans in the Philippines.

You didn't answer my question at all. Over why didn't Americans migrate into the Philippines (which it should as Britain did to the USA).
Are you a Filipino who wishes that the U.S. was mostly filled with American people? It seems like that's why you are asking this question...it's an odd question.

Anyways, the U.S. is absolutely enormous. There might be a lot more people in the U.S., but per capita there are way way less. Not only that, but there are enormously large swaths of land that were up-for-grabs.

Let's put it this way....if you were an immigrant fresh to New York City in the 1890s....would you rather go get free land in Kansas or Missouri or Texas or California or somewhere...or would you rather go to a completely different country with a completely different language, live in what was perceived to be a jungle, which was perceived to be almost impossible to build your little red barn, your fence, and herd your cows, etc.

Emigration was fueled by way more attributes than a 'hey we outnumber them, so let's move there' kind of mentality.
 
Old 07-24-2014, 09:49 AM
 
Location: La Muy Noble Leal Ciudad de Iloilo
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As you point out it already had 6 million people, and it was heavily Catholic. Historically, the Americans who moved outside big cities were Protestants seeking land. The Philippines would have been more adverse on both counts than much of the US then.
So what if we where Catholic? Do you know the situation for the Colombians who founded the city of Puerto Princessa - Palawan in Sunni-Muslim Palawan belonging to the Sultanate of Sulu? They were Sunni-Muslims, they hate Catholics more than Protestants hate Catholics. Between Catholics and Protestants it's mainly just a disagreement but both belong to the same Christian fold, whereas between Sunni-Muslims and Catholic-Christians it has been a never ceasing crusade; from the holy wars in the Balkans, the Reconquista, the holy Land or Sicily to Castille War between Brunei and the Philippines.

It was also the case in Zamboanga City - Philippines (Established by Mexicans) which was in a Holy war with the Maguindanao Sultanate to it's immediate east.

Yet, my hildalgo (knight) patrilineal ancestor [who came from Veracruz] settled here and converted the land from Islamic into Christian hands.

So being Protestant is a lousy excuse since the Latin fore-bears had to contend with Sunni-Muslims, who they have waged endless warfare for, for centuries. And that's far more hardcore that simply contention between catholics and protestants which are just disagreements over doctrines rather than different religions hostile to one another.

Maybe it's in the nature of the emigres'.

The people who migrated here from Spain or Latin-America before the American or Statesian era were soldiers, sailors or missionaries so they can stomach war with islam whereas the people who migrated to America from Europe were refugees and since Americans are mostly descended from refugees they cannot stomach being away from safety and comfort.

Thus, perhaps that's the reason why they never settled in large amounts to the Philippines vis-a-vis the more feisty and feiry Colombians, Mexicans or Peruvians who had more courage...



Or the Spaniards who are known to be highly militant.

When the Muslims invaded them.


They waged a 700 year war to Re-Christianized Islamic Spain.


But I don't really know. America also seems to be highly militaristic too though. But it's more of a militaristic while your borders are safe and the enemy is far away, sort of militarism unlike what the Philippines and Spain has in common, having a Muslim enemy in your front-yard sort of Militarism.

But America did alot of innovations in the military sphere though.
 
Old 07-24-2014, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Macao
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Thus, perhaps that's the reason why they never settled in large amounts to the Philippines vis-a-vis the more feisty and feiry Colombians, Mexicans or Peruvians who had more courage..
And now this is just getting weird...

While SOME Spanish people who were living Colombia, Mexico, and Peru probably did relocate to the Philippines....they were mostly likely Spanish people...and not hordes of Colombians, Mexicans, and Peruvians 'taking over the Philippines' with their 'courage' unlike Americans who would 'lack courage' to take it over in significant numbers...

Well, I just took this ONE thing...but it has so many things wrong with it...
 
Old 07-24-2014, 10:09 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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No. There is absolutely zero or miniscule amount of Americans who migrated to the Philippines.

In the 111 years since the Philippines became an American colony. There were only 300,000 Filipinos of American descent.


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In 2012, the U.S. State Department estimated that there were over 300,000 U.S. citizens living in the Philippines.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...he_Philippines


In contrast, there are 3.4 Million Americans of Filipino descent.

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Filipino Americans (Tagalog: Pilipino Amerikano) are Americans of Filipino descent and comprise about 3.4 million people, or 1.1% of the U.S. population. They are the country's second-largest self-reported Asian ancestry group after Chinese Americans according to 2010 American Community Survey.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_American

How come the Philippines which has a population 7x smaller than America's then, ended up with 3.4 Million Filipinos living in America and only 300,000 Americans living in the Philippines at 2014?
I think, like others have said that there was no incentive for Americans to emigrate to the Philippines. The US was a fledgling nation back then with huge amounts of vacant land. It was a place attracting immigrants. It was the land of opportunity. Even today, Americans generally don't emigrate much. Mexico has the largest American diaspora at around one million. I believe the Philippines may contain the second largest at around 200,000.
 
Old 07-24-2014, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Durham, North Carolina
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Good insight.
I don't know why so many people across the world feel that you either have to be "this" ... or "that,".... and not the marvelously unique wonders that span in-between.

All these arguments about if Filipinos are really Asians ... or if they're really Spanish ...

..well, the truth is, Filipinos "ARE."

Why can't more simply embrace the great, "I Am"?
In all divinity, to get closer to God ... or Awakening, a person first has to learn to love them self ... completely. Just as they are.

Your insight is informative, but there's little mention about who genetically Filipinos really are.
Filipinos obviously belong to a very proud group of people who are geographically right were they are... Malayo-Polynesians called, "Austroneasians" ... or, "People of the canoe."

Award winning geneticist Spensor Wells mapped out how the earth was populated.

[SEE:
"The Journey of Man"]

They are like Malaysians and other Austronesians.

But culturally unique in that they are Catholics, and most have Spanish surnames. What a wonderful amalgam of genetic traits! Most of mankind is ... inside them! Why stress just to be one part of it?

The world seems to be increasingly narrow sighted. The super rich are doing quite well in Socially Engineering fear of ourselves and each other. This is how the world is controlled ... "Divide and Conquer" ... black against white, brown against red, male against female, young Vs. old... etc...

Goes back to the Norman Conquest.

When so much energy is put into being "this" or "that" ... then wisdom is thrown out the window. More, intellectual curiosity is lost. But worst, people become seduced into committing horrible crimes against humanity in the name of tribalism.

The horrors of the Spanish-American Genocide is one such terror that influenced behavior and beliefs. Many people have no idea about the horrible crimes against humanity Americans committed in the "Filipino War."

When I look at today's economic and social troubles within Spain and Portugal, I chalk it up to Karma for allowing the Catholic church and the evil Popes Innocent VIII, Pope Pope Martin V, and Pope Calixtus III to create the African Slave Trade to enrich their own family pockets and stave off rebellion due to European food shortages in the Mini-Ice occurring at that time. (Including the Mass burnings of sometimes hundreds at a time and tens of thousands brutally tortured and murdered as auto-da-fé ("Act of Faith") that continued until the middle of the 16th Century.

This is not the best of times for the Philippines, Mexico, nor much of Latin America.
Just think if the vast majority of Filipinos and Spanish speaking people decided to show the world the power of their love instead of the power of their ego .. how much money and influence would flock to their doors!

But the "powers that be" don't seem to want that...


Austronesian People Of Southeast Asia & Pacific Islands - YouTube

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Old 07-24-2014, 10:24 AM
 
Location: La Muy Noble Leal Ciudad de Iloilo
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And now this is just getting weird...

While SOME Spanish people who were living Colombia, Mexico, and Peru probably did relocate to the Philippines....they were mostly likely Spanish people...and not hordes of Colombians, Mexicans, and Peruvians 'taking over the Philippines' with their 'courage' unlike Americans who would 'lack courage' to take it over in significant numbers...

Well, I just took this ONE thing...but it has so many things wrong with it...
Lol yeah that came off very funny.



I'm just saying that because my paternal side is from Veracruz....

But most likely, they were either Castizos (who are 75% European and 25% Amerindian) or Creoles (90% or 100% European and 10% Amerindian)

And they really didn't take over in the sense of conquering the place, rather than being conquering invaders, served as soldiers who protected the natives who converted to Christianity (since the Non-Muslim kingdoms of the Philippines then; i.e: Rajahnate of Cebu or Huangdom of Ma-i converted to Christianity to have a united front against the nascent Sultanates of Brunei, Lanao, Maguindanao and Sulu who were eating up territory and were strongly backed by Islamic Malacca which was also backed by an India held under Persian control, the Philippines being a battle-ground between Catholic-Christian Latin-Americans and Sunni-Islamized Persia-Malays while at the same time, Spain and the Spanish was at war in Europe against the Turks as in the case of the Holy League setting up a Navy to fight the Ottoman Empire)

But their numbers were significant enough that even today the people of Zamboanga speak a Spanish-creole called Chavacano which has more words in common with Mexican-Spanish than Castillian-Spanish and Zamboanga is a Latin medieval fortress-city directly facing the Sultanate of Maguindanao, it's sworn enemy. Lolz.

I think there is a good 1.2 Million of those Filipino-Mexican mongrels who live there and speak that language.

The Colombian-Filipinos that live in Puerto Princessa City and in the island of Palawan has a lesser population of around 771,667, people but it's still 3x more than the total number of USAers in the Philippines which is merely 300,000.

Lol it's so funny how these Colombians or Mexicans who never colonized the Philippines but rather sailed here as defending soldiers in the Castille War or the Spanish-Moro war outnumber the Americans which is the Philippines' colonizer.

Who effectively de-latinized and de-hispanized the country. Yet never bothered to migrate here.

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Old 07-24-2014, 10:30 AM
 
Location: La Muy Noble Leal Ciudad de Iloilo
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Americans arent that dumb to leave their prosperous country for a banana republic where politicians make millions every day and the common man lives on less than a dollar
When the British first started coming to America, America's rural GDP was woefully low compared to industrial Britain's GDP.

Nope. You can take your damn insults elsewhere you freaking refugee.

(This only applies to you though, not all Americans...


Although most Americans are indeed descended from refugees or people escaping their home countries due to crime, poverty or political exile, but the refugee remark is just hurled at you alone, you troll :P most Americans are chill)

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