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Old 01-17-2017, 09:25 PM
 
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Hinduism and Buddhism for quite a sizeable chunk of the Philippines from around the 600s to around the 1300s (I heard even the Vatican admitted this to be true), though there are some areas (especially in the mountains) that maintained their animist roots for quite a bit longer.
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Old 01-18-2017, 01:56 PM
 
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Hinduism and Buddhism for quite a sizeable chunk of the Philippines from around the 600s to around the 1300s (I heard even the Vatican admitted this to be true), though there are some areas (especially in the mountains) that maintained their animist roots for quite a bit longer.
its only during the American colonial period that the Cordilleras (the "mountains" ) got Christianized. in the northern Cordillera (Apayao), the Spaniards were able to established 2 missions (older than those in California) but abandoned when the natives rebelled.


in fact, head hunting was still practiced before WWII
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Old 01-18-2017, 06:35 PM
 
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Hinduism and Buddhism for quite a sizeable chunk of the Philippines from around the 600s to around the 1300s (I heard even the Vatican admitted this to be true), though there are some areas (especially in the mountains) that maintained their animist roots for quite a bit longer.

why would the Vatican NOT believe that there were other religions (native or introduced) in the Philippines before Christian Europeans (in this case mostly Portuguese and Spanish) "discovered" (and then conquered) the islands? the whole process of sending missionaries to "convert" the various indigenous peoples and cultures there was based on the knowledge that the area was non-Christian of some sort in faith and practice (whether, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Animist, Shamanist, or whatever) and right, wrong, or indifferent then tried to "rectify" the situation---probably not that different as a RELIGIOUS policy than that of Islam in some parts of the country.


FWIW, the Wikipedia article "religion in the Philippines" seems to indicate that the pre-European religious beliefs of peoples in the area was mostly Animist, Shamanist, and "folk religion".

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Old 01-20-2017, 03:03 AM
 
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Islam is the newest "kid on the block" as far as religions, followed by Christianity, and before that? Buddhism?

I work with a number of Philipino's, and most of them are "devout" Christians, and so I asked one of them one night: Before Christianity was shoved down your throats, what religion was prevalent before Christianity?

She didn't know! My guess? Buddhism!

And despite their claims of being Christian, I can't help but see Buddhist behavior in these people! So much spontaneous, live-for-the-moment type of behavior!

Am I missing something here?


They were the similarities of the Haitians. Until the Monopoly concepts reached there. Then Columba arrived with the Chrisitianity. However, the islanders loved not being bothered by the complexities of "the books", then they decided to stand idol til the Kingdom comes. It was a dangerous neighborhood though.
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Old 01-22-2017, 12:34 PM
 
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Animism. Filipinos are Austronesians. The closest (related) religions to it in the modern era are the native religions of the Polynesians or the mountain tribes of Indonesia and Malaysia (both are also Austronesian cultures that didn't get Indianized or Islamized). Unrelated (but similar) religions include the native religions of the Siberian and Native American peoples, and to a lesser extent, Japanese Shinto religion.

To put it in simple terms, they divided the world into the physical and spiritual worlds. Both of which exist side by side at the same time. They also venerated ancestor spirits and totemic spirits (spirits that embody a particular kind of animal, geographic feature, plant, etc.), as well as nature spirits of individual rocks, trees, etc.

You can still see surviving examples of this in Filipino culture, often mixed in with later introduced religions. The Anito of the (currently Christianized) Ifugao for example; or the Babaylan (witch-shamans) of the Visayans, the Omboh of the (Islamized) Sama-Bajau. It also survives partially in architecture of some indigenous Filipinos. The carved houseposts and the anito figurines have the same religious function as (and are the precursors of) the Tiki of the Polynesians or the Moai of the Easter Islanders.



You can even see it in the native names used for "God" among Christian and Muslim Filipinos. "Bathala" for example is used by Christian Filipinos today to mean the Christian God. But before the Spanish, "Bathala" was actually an animist sky god. Similarly, among Muslim Sama-Bajau, "Tuhan" is used as a native name for the Allah, but prior to the Arab missionaries, "Tuhan" was actually an animistic god of the sea.

But yes, the Philippines was partially Indianized, and thus had a period where some kingdoms were Hindu or Buddhist (similar to Bali), like the Kingdom of Butuan for example.

However, this was quickly followed by Islamization in the 14th century. Though this was cut short by the arrival of the Spaniards, the Arab and Malay missionaries managed to convert the southernmost regions and establish satellite states in other other islands.

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Old 01-26-2017, 12:06 AM
 
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FWIW, the Wikipedia article "religion in the Philippines" seems to indicate that the pre-European religious beliefs of peoples in the area was mostly Animist, Shamanist, and "folk religion".
But the Hindu-Buddhist proportion wasn't an insignificant part of the Philippines. Some of the parts that were known to have been Hindu prior to the influx of Islam and Christianity comprise some of the most populated parts of the country. There is a map that talks about Hinduism's expansion into Southeast Asia. The parts of the Philippines that were shaded as Hindu (or influenced by Hinduism) was pretty much the southern half of Luzon, and much of northern Mindanao for starters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...al_Philippines


And read the Wiki entry on History of the Philippines. There's a section where they talk about some of the more prominent pre-Hispanic kingdoms that held sway over sizable parts of the modern day Philippine nations. Some of these kingdoms were of a Hindu-Buddhist religious/cultural basis - such as the Kingdom of Tondo (which held sway in much of Luzon island about a thousand years ago) for starters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...he_Philippines
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