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Old 08-08-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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I don't mean to be rude, either, but that's your problem. Pointing out that China has a habit of building deathtraps in earthquake-prone areas is not being "meanspirited". It's meanspirited that people needlessly died because corners were cut, and regulations were not followed
Yeah, but that's the point. You're basically saying shame on China for allowing affordable housing to be built, and in turn that these people deserved to die because they couldn't afford earthquake proof homes.
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Old 08-08-2014, 12:41 PM
 
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BBC News - China earthquake kills hundreds in Yunnan province

The earthquake was only a 6.1. Some of the people killed, apparently, lived in new buildings, as well. What's with China building such substandard buildings, especially in a very seismically active region? At least 367 killed in a 6.1 earthquake. If this happened in Taiwan or Japan, the number would be at or close to 0 dead
Japan and Taiwan has a GDP per capita of over 30K. The province of Yunnan has a gdp per capita of 5.9K and is the 3rd poorest province in China. What do you seriously expect?
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Old 08-08-2014, 01:08 PM
 
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Basically China is still poor, poorer than Japan and Taiwan. Death tolls like this are typical for countries where mod buildings aren't 'earthquake proof.'
People somehow don't seem to realize this.

And Yunnan is one of the poorest provinces in China. Do you really expect the building quality to be as good as Japan or Taiwan? It is like asking a homeless guy shivering in the cold "why don't you put on your cashmere overcoat".

Clueless is bad enough. being clueless and judgmental is worse.
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Old 08-08-2014, 01:11 PM
 
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I don't mean to be rude, either, but that's your problem. Pointing out that China has a habit of building deathtraps in earthquake-prone areas is not being "meanspirited". It's meanspirited that people needlessly died because corners were cut, and regulations were not followed


M6.1 - 11km WNW of Wenping, China 2014-08-03 08:30:13 UTC

sure, why don't you point out that Haiti was evil for not providing top quality buildings as well which results to tens of thousands of dead in 2010. IF similar things happen in the US or Japan, hardly anyone will die either.

Do you know how many Chinese are still living for under $2 a day?
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Old 08-08-2014, 02:12 PM
 
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Yeah, but that's the point. You're basically saying shame on China for allowing affordable housing to be built, and in turn that these people deserved to die because they couldn't afford earthquake proof homes.
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Japan and Taiwan has a GDP per capita of over 30K. The province of Yunnan has a gdp per capita of 5.9K and is the 3rd poorest province in China. What do you seriously expect?
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People somehow don't seem to realize this.

And Yunnan is one of the poorest provinces in China. Do you really expect the building quality to be as good as Japan or Taiwan? It is like asking a homeless guy shivering in the cold "why don't you put on your cashmere overcoat".

Clueless is bad enough. being clueless and judgmental is worse.
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sure, why don't you point out that Haiti was evil for not providing top quality buildings as well which results to tens of thousands of dead in 2010. IF similar things happen in the US or Japan, hardly anyone will die either.

Do you know how many Chinese are still living for under $2 a day?
So poor people should be condemned to die in an earthquake because they are poor in a country that is awash with money?
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Old 08-08-2014, 03:53 PM
 
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So poor people should be condemned to die in an earthquake because they are poor in a country that is awash with money?
people die. nobody is condemning them.

why didn't you ask: so people should be condemned to die of gun fight in America just because they are too poor to afford to live in a safer neighbourhood in the world's richest nation?

China may be awash with money, Yunnan is not, and the area damaged by the earthquake certainly is not either.
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Old 08-08-2014, 04:48 PM
 
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The problem was supposed to be corrected with stricter standards the last time there was a quake in the general vicinity. Corruption and cutting corners is involved, most likely. The interesting thing to note is that in those regions, which are Tibetan-related cultural regions, it's the traditional architecture that best survives the quakes. It's the modern apartment-building cement construction that crumples.
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Old 08-08-2014, 04:55 PM
 
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The problem was supposed to be corrected with stricter standards the last time there was a quake in the general vicinity. Corruption and cutting corners is involved, most likely. The interesting thing to note is that in those regions, which are Tibetan-related cultural regions, it's the traditional architecture that best survives the quakes. It's the modern apartment-building cement construction that crumples.
maybe because most buildings that collapsed were not constructed after the previous earthquake? You think China should demolish every single building and rebuild according to stricter codes?

I do agree about the corruption and cutting-corner part, but it is unrealistic to expect change to happen overnight in terms of building quality.
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Old 08-08-2014, 05:02 PM
 
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The problem was supposed to be corrected with stricter standards the last time there was a quake in the general vicinity.
So you expect them to replace all buildings within 5 years?

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it's the traditional architecture that best survives the quakes. It's the modern apartment-building cement construction that crumples.
And your source for that claim is?

Also it makes no sense to compare temples for emperors with cheap houses for poor people. If the constuction was so superior in the past, then why did past earthquakes claim so many lives?
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Old 08-08-2014, 05:33 PM
 
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So you expect them to replace all buildings within 5 years?


And your source for that claim is?
Articles that came out after the first big quake in that general region, a few years ago.
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Also it makes no sense to compare temples for emperors with cheap houses for poor people. If the constuction was so superior in the past, then why did past earthquakes claim so many lives?
What temples for emperors? I'm talking about the adobe-style farmhouses, and the like.

It's interesting after the big earthquake in Tashkent, back in the 60's or 70's. The (Soviet) gov't did go in and tear down a lot of the buildings, but ONLY the traditional ones. They moved everyone into modern apartment buildings and destroyed the historic "old town". Word is, China has moved to do the same in parts of Xinjiang. But they can't afford to replace cheap cr@p modern buildings? Something about this doesn't wash...
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