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Old 08-16-2014, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Filipinas
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I guess Manila on top..

British Occupy Manila for almost 2 yrs, Suez Canal in Escolta where a lot of European came in to set up a Business Establishment, Chinatown in Binondo, Malays, Japanese settlers in Paco, Intramuros etc.

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One of the oldest streets in Manila, Escolta was created in 1594. Its name was derived from the Spanish word escoltar, meaning "to escort".[1] Escolta was known for its concentration of immigrant merchants, mainly from Fujian, China, who came to make their fortune during the Manila-Acapulco Galleon trade. The street was lined with shops and boutiques selling imported goods from China, Europe and elsewhere in Latin America that arrived in the nearby port of San Nicolas. By the late 19th century, Escolta flourished into a fashionable business district hosting the city's tallest buildings as well as the Manila Stock Exchange. The shops were replaced by modern department stores and an electric tram line known as tranvia plied the street. Escolta served as the city's primary commercial district until its decline in the 1960s when the center of business gradually shifted to Makati.
Escolta Street - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.lougopal.com/manila/?p=83

Manila has different Clubs during the 18-19th Century
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The Germans had their German Club (Deutsche Klub), the Spaniards their Casino Español, the Brits had the Manila Club, there was the Swiss Club as well as the Nippon Club while the Americans had the University Club, Elks Club and the Army and Navy Club.
German Club | Manila Nostalgia

When Manila was still rich city... it is actually rich in history.

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Old 08-16-2014, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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I guess Manila on top..

British Occupy Manila for almost 2 yrs, Suez Canal in Escolta where a lot of European came in to set up a Business Establishment, Chinatown in Binondo, Malays, Japanese settlers in Paco, Intramuros etc.

Escolta

Escolta Street - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Escolta – a rich history. | Manila Nostalgia

Manila has different Clubs during the 18-19th Century

German Club | Manila Nostalgia

When Manila was still rich city... it is actually rich in history.
Ohh the British also occupies Dutch east indies briefly for 5 years, the one who discovered Borobudur are in fact Thomas Raffles, with huge flower he found in Sumatra named after him. Batavia is multicultural place too with the oldest European club in Asia, Societeit de Harmonie, unfortunately they demolished the society building in Jakarta for parking lots because it symbolizes colonial history. There are homes for European apart from Dutch too current textile museum was a french home and villa isolla in bandung was Italians for example.

Rich European suburbs in Batavia existed for hundreds of years along molenvliet canal in Weltvedrenen (merdeka square-Passerbaroe area), where homes and palaces of the prominent European elites stands. It was described by a British anthropologist in the 19th century as the most impressive with prominent large homes and typical european lined streets and shaddy trees, plus also luxurious hotel des indes that named it "queen of the east". Well its almost all gone now unfortunately, few good homes still stands and the newer colonial suburbs like Menteng and Kebajoran Baroe replaced Molenveliet at later period.

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“When you ride along Molenvliet the whole scene changes: Gradually you see the nicer and bigger houses, surrounded by ornate gardens. We admire a succession of villas with coconut forests and fruit gardens. We're in that delicious part of Batavia, which is called Rijswijk.

In the morning between eight and ten hours we see the road covered with thousands of vehicles of all kinds carrying men rushing to their offices. Dignified trams are smoothly purring in between them, contrary to the cumbersome wooden carts on two high wheels, drawn by oxen.

Suddenly the driver turns right, leading us to a tall, shady banyan tree planted square and our carriage finally arrives at the colossal marble vestibule of the ‘Hotel des Indes’.”

In 1869 British anthropologist Alfred Russel Wallace described the hotel's accommodation as follows
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_des_Indes_(Batavia)

Japanese too were active in the Indische, many become escorts apperently... In total, 6,349 Japanese people lived in Indonesia by 1938 and marriage with local is recorded.

So nope, Manila is not the only richest in history of migrants flocking in, i think Indian cities is also filled with European grandeur for its hundreds of years of rule such as Calcutta as the capital of British India.. beautiful European mansions, very impressively still marks the city and its not all populated with British of course.

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Old 08-16-2014, 09:55 PM
 
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Ohh the British also occupies Dutch east indies briefly for 5 years, the one who discovered Borobudur are in fact Thomas Raffles, with huge flower he found in Sumatra named after him. Batavia is multicultural place too with the oldest European club in Asia, Societeit de Harmonie, unfortunately they demolished the society building in Jakarta for parking lots because it symbolizes colonial history. There are homes for European apart from Dutch too current textile museum was a french home and villa isolla in bandung was Italians for example.

Rich European suburbs in Batavia existed for hundreds of years along molenvliet canal in Weltvedrenen (merdeka square-Passerbaroe area), where homes and palaces of the prominent European elites stands. It was described by a British anthropologist in the 19th century as the most impressive with prominent large homes and typical european lined streets and shaddy trees, plus also luxurious hotel des indes that named it "queen of the east". Well its almost all gone now unfortunately, few good homes still stands and the newer colonial suburbs like Menteng and Kebajoran Baroe replaced Molenveliet at later period.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_des_Indes_(Batavia)

Japanese too were active in the Indische, many become escorts apperently... In total, 6,349 Japanese people lived in Indonesia by 1938 and marriage with local is recorded.

So nope, Manila is not the only richest in history of migrants flocking in, i think Indian cities is also filled with European grandeur for its hundreds of years of rule such as Calcutta as the capital of British India.. beautiful European mansions, very impressively still marks the city and its not all populated with British of course.
Well I'm just stating that it's has different people coming in and out from Manila since the colonial era and the main City, which is Manila not including those outside of the main capital. I know india and other asian countries was under british. those you mentioned dutch and british came also including the Portuguese and French that's how my ggg grandpa came in the Philippines. He started in Manila at Escolta then settled outside Manila with his Filipina wife moved to Northern Luzon. Some of the foreign nationals came also from neighboring countries which was under a colony like the wife of Rizal. the Irish woman who came from Hong Kong.

When British Occupied Manila they also brought with them some Indian Sepoy army and a lot of them settled in the Philippines but they mostly settled not in Manila though. They settled in Cainta, Rizal.
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:09 PM
 
Location: La Muy Noble Leal Ciudad de Iloilo
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Pinai, thank you for explaining but I just have to add that Cavite in the vicinity of Manila where the people speak Cavitenyo Chavacano, a daughter-language of Spanish that has many Mexican words in it and is spoken in the area...

Has a lot of people in there who are descended from Latinos. One famous one being Capitan Andres Novales. Who was a Creole (Spanish-American) who led the Cavite-Mutiny.

Another famous Mexican in Filipino history is Archbishop Manuel Rojo Del Rio, who was a Latino born in Tula, Mexico. And he was both Archbishop and Governor-General during the British occupation.

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Old 08-16-2014, 11:24 PM
 
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So, summing up. Manila should be at the top of the heap.

The world's oldest Chinatown is at Manila in Binondo. The only capital in Asia that holds an area with many Latin-Americans is at Manila, in Cavite (Cavite is also home to Ternateans too). Cainta, Rizal to the East of Manila is settled by Sepoy soldiers from India whom defected from the British during the British Occupation of Manila and had joined the Filipinos. Intramuros (The old castle-city in Manila mostly held Peninsulares, pure Europeans, during its history)

So, Manila has: the oldest Chinatown in the world, the only Latino quarter in Asia, the largest Sepoy settlement and the most developed Medieval-style European Castle-city in the vicinity, Intramuros.

Singapore or Malaysia does not have Latinos and our Chinatown is in fact older than theirs. By studying the facts and history, the distinguished and ever loyal city, Manila, should be on top.
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:41 PM
 
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So misleading...

We have Filipinos saying Manila is the top in Asia, and Indonesians saying that Jakarta is...

When westerners think 'multicultural', they think Toronto, Sydney, New York, London...they think of REAL present-day multiculturalism, not 100-300 years ago with those people mixed into ONE predominate culture.
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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So, summing up. Manila should be at the top of the heap.

The world's oldest Chinatown is at Manila in Binondo. The only capital in Asia that holds an area with many Latin-Americans is at Manila, in Cavite (Cavite is also home to Ternateans too). Cainta, Rizal to the East of Manila is settled by Sepoy soldiers from India whom defected from the British during the British Occupation of Manila and had joined the Filipinos. Intramuros (The old castle-city in Manila mostly held Peninsulares, pure Europeans, during its history)

So, Manila has: the oldest Chinatown in the world, the only Latino quarter in Asia, the largest Sepoy settlement and the most developed Medieval-style European Castle-city in the vicinity, Intramuros.

Singapore or Malaysia does not have Latinos and our Chinatown is in fact older than theirs. By studying the facts and history, the distinguished and ever loyal city, Manila, should be on top.
Yes it has many history, but its not on the top of the heap since its comparable neighboring cities also have rich history of migration through colonialism. Indian also have been known to spread religion and settled in Southeast Asia even longer than the Sepoy of Philippines.

And actually medieval style castles are common at the time, i doubt that its actually the most developed, as it Portuguesse shown in building Goa and Malacca, heck even Batavia was built resembling Hoorm complete with its canal. The reason why Intramuros' wall didn't get demolished is because the development of the city were stopped by the Americans as they conquer Manila and build new cbd instead of using Intramuros.

Where is this ideas that Manila is the most multicultural place that deserve to be on top anyway?
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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So misleading...

We have Filipinos saying Manila is the top in Asia, and Indonesians saying that Jakarta is...

When westerners think 'multicultural', they think Toronto, Sydney, New York, London...they think of REAL present-day multiculturalism, not 100-300 years ago with those people mixed into ONE predominate culture.
No im not saying Jakarta is the most multicultural place, im just using it as an example to reason why Manila shouldn't be on top. I am comparing its colonial history because they were using those as their reasoning. To be fair both DOES have large number of ethnic in the country, but those reasoning mentioned before doesn't impact the overall diversity by much.

You don't have to stress which city is the real present day multiculturalism, i think people are smart enough to realize that those cities mentioned are flocked with hundreds of thousands and even millions of migrants from around the world.

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Old 08-17-2014, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Filipinas
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Yes it has many history, but its not on the top of the heap since its comparable neighboring cities also have rich history of migration through colonialism. Indian also have been known to spread religion and settled in Southeast Asia even longer than the Sepoy of Philippines.

And actually medieval style castles are common at the time, i doubt that its actually the most developed, as it Portuguesse shown in building Goa and Malacca, heck even Batavia was built resembling Hoorm complete with its canal. The reason why Intramuros' wall didn't get demolished is because the development of the city were stopped by the Americans as they conquer Manila and build new cbd instead of using Intramuros.

Where is this ideas that Manila is the most multicultural place that deserve to be on top anyway?
And why there is number listing.... From the 1st page? From 1-10
It's all personal choices.

Manila of today is no longer because of the status of the country tag as being poor. So most people will go to a more progressive country. I am explaining the status of Manila before being one of the multicultural country till before WW2
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Old 08-17-2014, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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And why there is number listing.... From the 1st page? From 1-10
It's all personal choices.
Personal choices with biased reasoning? it could possibly be on the top 10, but no 1/most imo is too much because Manila doesn't reflect that level of multiculturalism or rich cultural diversity. To most eyes everything in Manila is simply Filipino, as comparison of Singapore for example.
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