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View Poll Results: Independent from now on...
Palestina 13 17.81%
Kurdistan 17 23.29%
Siberia 32 43.84%
Uyghurstan 8 10.96%
Tibet 23 31.51%
Seven Sister States 3 4.11%
Moluccas 3 4.11%
None of them 7 9.59%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-31-2015, 03:36 PM
 
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Do the Moluccas even want independence? I thought it was West Papua that wanted independence from Indonesia
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Old 08-01-2015, 10:41 AM
 
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Do the Moluccas even want independence? I thought it was West Papua that wanted independence from Indonesia
Almost every island in Indonesia wants independence, except Java and Sumatra.
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Old 08-04-2015, 10:58 AM
 
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Here are my three choices:

1) Okinawa
2) Mindanao
3) Southern Thailand
Mindanao? are you referring to Muslim areas?
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Old 08-04-2015, 12:58 PM
 
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Almost every island in Indonesia wants independence, except Java and Sumatra.
yeah, everyone wants the "pride" of political independence until they realize it also means financially independent, to manage an economy, to provide jobs, to feed the people. They are like those 13 year old girls who think their parents have no right to interfere what they can do, when they are completely dependents for everything they need in life.
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Old 08-05-2015, 02:09 PM
 
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Cordillera region in the Philippines

Very hardworking people, intelligent, self-sufficient, not whiny, self empowered....but boggled down and abused by lowland Filipinos

Between Muslim areas and Mindanao and the Cordilleras, the latter would have more chances being successful. Rather than whining like their southern counterparts, they just make out most of what they have and work hard for it.

Perhaps, the whole of northern Luzon can be its own republic. Hardworking people, and people there are known to be thrifty/frugal. Government statistics prove this - the regions with the highest savings are the Cordilleras, Cagayan Valley, and Ilocos region. Which is why despite being neglected by Manila, they have lower poverty rate than areas south of Manila

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Old 08-05-2015, 03:34 PM
 
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Cordillera region in the Philippines

Very hardworking people, intelligent, self-sufficient, not whiny, self empowered....but boggled down and abused by lowland Filipinos

Between Muslim areas and Mindanao and the Cordilleras, the latter would have more chances being successful. Rather than whining like their southern counterparts, they just make out most of what they have and work hard for it.

Perhaps, the whole of northern Luzon can be its own republic. Hardworking people, and people there are known to be thrifty/frugal. Government statistics prove this - the regions with the highest savings are the Cordilleras, Cagayan Valley, and Ilocos region. Which is why despite being neglected by Manila, they have lower poverty rate than areas south of Manila
what industry would support the supposed independent republic?
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Old 08-05-2015, 03:48 PM
 
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what industry would support the supposed independent republic?
Agriculture, Aquaculture, Mining, eco-tourism, manufacturing, green energy. Northern Luzon is not the backwater many people think it is.The regions in the area has a lower poverty rate than Bicol, Western, Central, and Eastern Visayas, and Mindanao

Many provinces in the North also have consistent higher Human Development Index. Batanes(yesm that very isolated group of islands near Taiwan), Benguet, Ilocos Sur, Ilocos Norte, La Union and Pangasinan are in the top 30 with the highest HDI in the Philippines. La Union, in fact, has the longest life expectancy in the Philippines.

The regions in the North are poorer than Manila and Calabarzon but they are not poorest in the country. This is already despite the region being battered by storms every year compared to other places. Bicol which is closer to Manila has way, way, way, higher poverty than the more isolated Northern Luzon. NL is surprisingly doing well for a region that is not so industrialized and reliant on agri and aquacultures

I think people just think Northern Luzon is "backwards" because people are generally shy and conservative and because of stereotypes...and the roads are not the easiest to traverse. It can take half a day to move to the next province.

MAP: The poorest provinces in PH

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Old 08-05-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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they are not poorer but the only reason is many are working abroad..removed that IRA and I don't know where will they get funds to run the LGUs

im also from the north..
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Old 08-05-2015, 04:59 PM
 
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Isn't that true everywhere in the Philippines? Yet, other regions are doing worse than North Luzon. In some other regions, it is popular to let their child marry a foreigner that is old enough to be their daughters grandpa. And most prostitutes in Angeles and Olongapo are originallty from Samar and Leyte Islands. Many Amerasians in Olongapo and Pampanga are not half Sambal or Kapampangan - they are half Waray mostly

Yes, NL gets IRA, but so does other regions - NCR and Calabarzon included. But that is not the basis. ARMM gets a HUGE chunk of the IRA but they are still performing the WORST. 90-95% of ARMM "income" is IRA. Despite the IRA, they are still not functioning because the local governments there prioritize moving the capitals to their "baluartes" rather than investing in sustainable industries.

You'll have to look at statistics generated by the government. NL, in fact, is one of the regions neglected by the government in terms of development yet it managed not to be at the bottom like Eastern Visayas or ARMM.

Again, look the Human Development Index. Many good performers are northern Luzon provinces apart from NCR and Calabarzon. The LGUs are coming up with livelihoods and investments. Agriculture, Aquaculture and even green energy. The most remote province of Batanes that hardly gets anything from the national government has a high HDI, high high school graduates, lower poverty rate, lower crime rate, and high literacy rate.

http://www.bworldonline.com/content....ok%29&id=86289
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Old 08-05-2015, 05:11 PM
 
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I have traveled in different provinces in North Luzon and one common attitude I discovered is that they don't really have the attitude of "self-pity", something common among other Filipinos. To top that, the stereotype of being Kuripot is not baseless. There's a national statistic that supports it.

Filipinos in Cordillera, Cagayan regions are the top savers in country — NSCB | Inquirer News

I like to add that among the poorest regions in the Philippines are the ones where local politicans like to gerrymander provinces by making new provinces. That's what they do.
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