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View Poll Results: Independent from now on...
Palestina 13 17.81%
Kurdistan 17 23.29%
Siberia 32 43.84%
Uyghurstan 8 10.96%
Tibet 23 31.51%
Seven Sister States 3 4.11%
Moluccas 3 4.11%
None of them 7 9.59%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-28-2015, 06:42 PM
 
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money and uighers could become radicalized jihadis. Its better to have xinjiang under communist rules unless they were buddhists.
Well the exUSSR central Asian states have remained secular and most of the people are Muslim.
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Old 11-28-2015, 09:15 PM
 
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Well the exUSSR central Asian states have remained secular and most of the people are Muslim.
case it point. Communism neutered islam. you cannot have 2 competing idealogies
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Old 11-29-2015, 05:39 AM
 
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There's a huge difference between your examples and that of Tibet or Xinjiang. For starters, nobody is occupying Quebec or Puerto Rico. Secondly the Conch Republic is a tongue in cheek joke, it's not real.
Many people in both Québec and Puerto Rico would beg to differ on that one.
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Old 11-29-2015, 11:32 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Many people in both Québec and Puerto Rico would beg to differ on that one.
The independence movement in Puerto Rico is basically dead. They havent been able to garner anything beyond a fringe element in over 70 years. Even under the Spanish the independence movement was basically a joke.

The real movement in Puerto Rico is what form of union Puerto Rico should have within the United States: statehood or the existing territorial status.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:51 AM
 
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There are too many independent countries already, I don't envision any new independent state in Asia right now.
Fortunately HK and Macau are now part of China again after a century being colonized by foreign powers.
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Old 12-02-2015, 07:39 PM
 
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Fortunately HK and Macau are now part of China again after a century being colonized by foreign powers.
Many friends of mine living there don't think it is fortunate though.
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:06 AM
 
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Many friends of mine living there don't think it is fortunate though.
well, they live in a bubble thinking being not part of China they would be better off. It is easy for Hong Kong to get rich considering the favourable policies toward it BY China for decades, but let's not pretend HK is wealthy BECAUSE of its legal system and the "freedom", or because of the British rule. Plenty of cities have those yet never achieved anything.


Many HKers naively think HK was able to achieve its current status under the British rule - well, that's just sheer stupidity. London ruled many cities and countries around the world, and most of them are p*sing poor today. HK is rich because it is next to China, and special circumstances at the time make it possible for HK to be a trade and finance hub.


I'd like to have an experiment by letting HK to go solo and cut the ties between it and China (as many HKers seem to prefer) and let's see how far it can go. Unfortunately it won't happen.
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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London ruled many cities and countries around the world, and most of them are p*sing poor today.
Except for Canada, USA, Bahamas, Trinidad & Tobago, Barbados, Ireland, Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Maldives, Seychelles, Botswana, Mauritius, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Australia and New Zealand
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:00 AM
 
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Except for Canada, USA, Bahamas, Trinidad & Tobago, Barbados, Ireland, Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Maldives, Seychelles, Botswana, Mauritius, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Australia and New Zealand
your list looks ridiculous. Maybe Singapore is remotely comparable. You honestly compare Canada/US/Australia/New Zealand with colonies?


And oil rich middle east countries with HK, which has no natural resource whatsoever? Brunei is the same. Trinidad & Tobago also gets more of its wealth from oil and gas. And interesting, none of these countries were rich when they were UNDER the UK rule, were they?


Botswana? You mean a country with a life expectancy of 54 years, and 25% of adults infected with HIV? Just so you know it is a matter more complicated than just looking at GDP per capita, which is probably what you did.


Israel? The country of Israel was not governed and managed by the UK as far as I know.


Do I need to provide a list of poor countries, 4 time as long? Never mind.
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Old 12-04-2015, 03:40 AM
 
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well, they live in a bubble thinking being not part of China they would be better off. It is easy for Hong Kong to get rich considering the favourable policies toward it BY China for decades, but let's not pretend HK is wealthy BECAUSE of its legal system and the "freedom", or because of the British rule. Plenty of cities have those yet never achieved anything.
If you were forced to live in either HK or Beijing, which city would you choose?

I would choose HK.
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