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Yes its almost the same, except that in Malaysia the cultural gap is more apparent Indonesia.
This goes back to my other assumption...Indonesia's 0.72% Buddhism...versus Malaysia's 19.8% Buddhism...means larger Buddhist communities, etc. Which means, greater multiculturalism, different cultures that remain distinct, etc.
But, do you think that Indonesia has more Muslim/non-Muslim marriages than Malaysia? And if so, what would account for that, if you do believe that to be true?
It seems that way. The Chinese population in Java seemed smaller (?) than in Malaysia, or maybe just better integrated. Of the Indonesians here, it seems quite a few look part Chinese, part Javanese, even if there's overlap. Plus there are no laws forbidding it, so it's mostly familial or personal objections if there are any.
So the Malaysian government penalizes Malaysian Muslims for marrying non-Muslims? And Indonesia doesn't penalize Indonesian Muslims for marrying non-Muslims?
Just confirming that...I'm not questioning it, just didn't know about that differentiation, and just seeing if I'm reading that right.
I think in Malaysia the non-Muslim has to convert to Islam, at least officially.
In Malaysia, in general, there are many laws that 'protect' Islam. Christians aren't allowed to even proselytise or preach to Muslims and can be prosecuted if they even say hand out leaflets to Muslims. There are blasphemy laws, and specific laws that only apply to Muslims, such as not being able to consume any haram non-Halal food or even things like pre-marital sex. Of course, these laws are often flaunted by less seriously Muslims. Kelantan has something like sharia family law, but not to the extent of Aceh in Sumatra which has full sharia.
It has something to do with the society and culture, there's no penalty for Muslims to leave their religion too and little discrimination for people who do so. So the gap between the two religion is killed, also there's no law stating that different religion couldn't get together while retaining their belief.
Some study even suggested that most Chinese Indonesians are in fact partially native, while only tiny minority of them are Muslims. Although this could be accounted to the fact that they married non-Muslim native instead.
I wouldn't be surprised. Most Indonesians I've met look more Austronesian on average than most Singaporean or Malaysian Chinese, and apparently half are considered 'Indonesian Chinese or Chinese Indonesian.' Culturally of course almost all speak Indonesian, have Indonesian names. I generally just think of them as Indonesian, the main difference being most aren't Muslim. In Malaysia they would be considered Peranakan.
Why are Chinese Indonesians less likely to be Buddhist and more like to be Christian than Chinese Malaysians?
In the more religiously Muslim area like Kalimantan or Sumatra, the Chinese are more recent immigrants and its seem that large number of them are Buddhist, although it may quiet vary within the areas. Those who are from Java are more likely to be Christians, in Jakarta there's migration from other islands and lots of the Chinese are also Buddhist.
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It seems that way. The Chinese population in Java seemed smaller (?) than in Malaysia, or maybe just better integrated. Of the Indonesians here, it seems quite a few look part Chinese, part Javanese, even if there's overlap. Plus there are no laws forbidding it, so it's mostly familial or personal objections if there are any.
Yes the exact number is unknown, since lots of the intermarriage tend to lead to ethnic Chinese not identifying their background anymore. Also with all the previous racial issue many are discouraged, although it seems that only 2.6 million of them says they're Chinese. I find it too hard to believe since their number seems to be much much more, in my observation atleast in the urban areas... 1930 cencus says there are 1.2 million ethnic Chinese living in the country but that's only 2% of the total population, even if they had less birth rate, ww2, killed etc their number definitely is much higher than what's shown in the census of 2010. Plus during the repatriation only recorded 100,000 of them to return to China.
50% of the total Chinese population lives in Java.
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Originally Posted by Caravelli
I wouldn't be surprised. Most Indonesians I've met look more Austronesian on average than most Singaporean or Malaysian Chinese, and apparently half are considered 'Indonesian Chinese or Chinese Indonesian.' Culturally of course almost all speak Indonesian, have Indonesian names. I generally just think of them as Indonesian, the main difference being most aren't Muslim. In Malaysia they would be considered Peranakan.
If they're from Java they're likely to be so, but most of the ethnic Chinese do adopt local language, with few exception where Chinese language is still highly in use such as Batam or West Kalimantan.
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