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Old 08-19-2014, 07:06 PM
 
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Xi Jinping to visit Singapore next year to mark 25 years of ties

So to those who are saying SIngapore is closer to US compared to China..

When is Obama coming to Singapore ?
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Old 08-20-2014, 08:09 PM
 
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No doubt you would say it.
Obama being the most influential and powerful leader of the most powerful nation in the world is such a busy man...he practically needs to visit places with more pressing and needed attention and as per their national interests. He cant just visit all countries in a year or worse during his term.
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Old 08-20-2014, 10:05 PM
 
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No doubt you would say it.
Obama being the most influential and powerful leader of the most powerful nation in the world is such a busy man...he practically needs to visit places with more pressing and needed attention and as per their national interests. He cant just visit all countries in a year or worse during his term.
He went golfing today after making announcement against ISIS.
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Old 08-20-2014, 10:31 PM
 
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He went golfing today after making announcement against ISIS.
are you sure? coz u better no man.
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Old 08-21-2014, 01:35 PM
 
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Xi Jinping to visit Singapore next year to mark 25 years of ties

So to those who are saying SIngapore is closer to US compared to China..

When is Obama coming to Singapore ?
Maybe because Obama doesn't think it is worth his time to visit a country that obeys to all his will already? especially when nothing urgent prompts his visit.

Singapore may have closer economic ties with China, but we all know its heart belongs to the US.

The difference between China and the US on the world stage right now is: When China does business with a smaller country (such as in Asian, Latin America or Africa), it is just business, nothing else. When the US does business with someone, it wants something in return politically (The US always has the tendency to enroll others as its b**ches).
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Old 08-22-2014, 05:27 AM
 
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Maybe because Obama doesn't think it is worth his time to visit a country that obeys to all his will already? especially when nothing urgent prompts his visit.

Singapore may have closer economic ties with China, but we all know its heart belongs to the US.

The difference between China and the US on the world stage right now is: When China does business with a smaller country (such as in Asian, Latin America or Africa), it is just business, nothing else. When the US does business with someone, it wants something in return politically (The US always has the tendency to enroll others as its b**ches).

I beg to disagree man.
China's so called-benevolence or aid to poorer nations and even to trade deals to other countries are looked upon as "china-gives-something-china-expects-something-in-return" perspective by most of the nations in the world...take for example China's trade negotiations in Africa alone...China builds government buildings, dams, highways and even airports in return of trade deals to exploit Africa's rich mines, forests and other natural resources..this is good but most of the time these African nations are at the losing end...why? Chinese companies hire and bring their Chinese workers instead of the locals to work with them; and some of these companies dont follow environmental laws.

China wont reach the level of soft diplomacy that the US has attained.
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Old 08-22-2014, 10:02 AM
 
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I beg to disagree man.
China's so called-benevolence or aid to poorer nations and even to trade deals to other countries are looked upon as "china-gives-something-china-expects-something-in-return" perspective by most of the nations in the world...take for example China's trade negotiations in Africa alone...China builds government buildings, dams, highways and even airports in return of trade deals to exploit Africa's rich mines, forests and other natural resources..this is good but most of the time these African nations are at the losing end...why? Chinese companies hire and bring their Chinese workers instead of the locals to work with them; and some of these companies dont follow environmental laws.

China wont reach the level of soft diplomacy that the US has attained.
If you choose to look at the negative side, everything is negative.
The truth is China has been helping Africa since Chairman Mao's time, and Africa benefits a lot from China.
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Old 08-22-2014, 10:12 AM
 
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If you choose to look at the negative side, everything is negative.
The truth is China has been helping Africa since Chairman Mao's time, and Africa benefits a lot from China.
Yeah,the African dictators certainly benefit a lot,native African people,however,have next to nothing.

Btw back to topic.Why would Obama visit Singapore anyway?It's really stable and there is practically 0 thing to be worried about over there for the US.
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Old 08-22-2014, 10:47 AM
 
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Yeah,the African dictators certainly benefit a lot,native African people,however,have next to nothing.

Btw back to topic.Why would Obama visit Singapore anyway?It's really stable and there is practically 0 thing to be worried about over there for the US.
Thousands of Africans have been studying in China. They work in health care, agriculture, engineering and science when they finish.
China built roads, railways and stadiums, ... and you claim they don't benefit the people at all?

Yes Chinese invest in Africa for profits and political gains too, but business is always like that. It depends on your attitude.
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Old 08-22-2014, 12:54 PM
 
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...China builds government buildings, dams, highways and even airports in return of trade deals to exploit Africa's rich mines, forests and other natural resources..this is good but most of the time these African nations are at the losing end...why? Chinese companies hire and bring their Chinese workers instead of the locals to work with them; and some of these companies dont follow environmental laws.
So when China buys resources, it is "exploitation". Guess where does the US/Europe get most of oil and natural gas? I am sure you don't consider that exploitation.

Business is business. What can the African countries do with all the resources without selling them? For Christ's sake, even Canada is desperate to sell its resource to China, and Australia's economy is boosted considerably by demand from China. Are they all exploited by China, how dumb are they?

Regarding workers, you might not know, but a lot of the work requires specific skills and the poorly educated African workers simply do not have.

Some of these companies don't follow environment laws.. true, but it applies to any country. BP etc. all had their history, don't they? Why is it so specially when it comes to Chinese firms?
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