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Old 10-01-2014, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Bothell, Washington
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That sounds like the U.S. during the Invasion of Iraq.

There were massive protests everywhere out on the West Coast...my facebook was fluttering constantly with this being torn down, this happening, on and on and on. The news just painted a few oddballs were reacting, but it was small potatoes. But, anyone on the ground in those areas, was seeing way more than just that.
Actually the news covered the Iraq war protests quite a bit here in the US- they were on the news almost nightly whenever I watched. It's a different situation here in the US where media is not controlled by the government as it is in China, so they cannot say "do not cover that", and the media certainly would not have a reason to hide something from us on behalf of the government.
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Old 10-01-2014, 09:25 AM
 
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Actually the news covered the Iraq war protests quite a bit here in the US- they were on the news almost nightly whenever I watched. It's a different situation here in the US where media is not controlled by the government as it is in China, so they cannot say "do not cover that", and the media certainly would not have a reason to hide something from us on behalf of the government.
Ummm.....well, that's a topic for a different thread
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Macao
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Well, in your constitution, the Republic of China includes all of China, which I presume also includes Hong Kong and Macau, does it not? Heck, under your nationality laws, mainland Chinese, HKers, and Macanese don't need to get their passports stamped, and only need an entry permit to enter the "Taiwan area". In other words, for PRC Chinese and Chinese SARs residents, entering Taiwan is like entering an EU country from another EU country. Although curiously enough, the ROC still claims Mongolia as part of its territory.
I am not totally sure about Taiwan.

But, just for the record, Macau, HK and CHina all have different passports, currency, border controls, etc.
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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^Taiwan has different passport, currency, and border controls as well. HK's passport is (kinda) better since the visa requirements are slightly less than Taiwan's, though Taiwan is part of the visa waiver program of the US while HK is not.
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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don't be so haughty.
How was that haughty? It seemed like a pretty reasonable suggestion. It probably is better to learn more about the political situation when commenting.
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Old 10-01-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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I am not totally sure about Taiwan.

But, just for the record, Macau, HK and CHina all have different passports, currency, border controls, etc.
I'm fully aware that the SARs have different passports, and are in control of their own immigration procedures, very similar to the USA and American Samoa, a US territory who runs their own immigration system despite being part of the US.

But, look it up. Since Taiwan or legally, the Republic of China, claims all the PRC as its territory, it only requires entry permits for PRC and SAR Chinese, not visas.
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Old 10-01-2014, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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^Yeah, but that's not really about the claims...well yes, to some extent, but it's mostly because that if Chinese/Macanese/HKers need visas to get into Taiwan, it'd be a tacit recognition of Taiwan's independence, and vise versa. Which is something PRC would never do.

Btw the permits are actually quite troublesome for Chinese citizens to get, the procedure is significantly easier for HKers and Macanese, but none of those permits is as convenient as visa-free traveling.
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Old 10-01-2014, 11:33 AM
 
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^Yeah, but that's not really about the claims...well yes, to some extent, but it's mostly because that if Chinese/Macanese/HKers need visas to get into Taiwan, it'd be a tacit recognition of Taiwan's independence, and vise versa. Which is something PRC would never do.

Btw the permits are actually quite troublesome for Chinese citizens to get, the procedure is significantly easier for HKers and Macanese, but none of those permits is as convenient as visa-free traveling.
Yes, you are right. It is more of a symbolic gesture than anything else. I believe Taiwan's nationality revolves around 戶口簿 and not on nationality/citizenship. I don't know how to explain it, but you know what I mean?
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Old 10-01-2014, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Taiwan's nationality revolves around ROC citizenship. Even though Taiwan functions as a country, legally, it belongs to ROC since ROC claims to be a country while Taiwan does not.
Yeah I know, that sounds super ****ed-up and stupid, but that's the status quo.

Btw we should keep the thread from going off topic, so we should stop talking about Taiwan.
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Old 10-01-2014, 12:24 PM
 
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Taiwan's nationality revolves around ROC citizenship. Even though Taiwan functions as a country, legally, it belongs to ROC since ROC claims to be a country while Taiwan does not.
Yeah I know, that sounds super ****ed-up and stupid, but that's the status quo.

Btw we should keep the thread from going off topic, so we should stop talking about Taiwan.
I agree. I saw earlier, I forgot which website, that more people are flooding the streets of HK, holding up their cell phones and you can see just a huge sea of bright light across the streets. I hope these protests don't die down anytime soon. The one thing governments always count on is that they hope the momentum and energy dies down so CY Leung can proceed with what he was doing
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