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Old 10-23-2014, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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I have never seen footage of the "CCP flag" being raise on any of the reefs and atolls in the South China Sea. That flag is usually hung around some party school, or draped on a dead communist cadre's body as he/she lay in state....Your other points are certainly valid.
I'm comparing what China wouldn't do with what Western powers have done fro centuries... it doesn't matter whether it's the CCP flag or the Chinese flag itself, they're not going over to other countries and doing it one way or the other.
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Old 10-24-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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It's a vastly different world from that time. At the same time this was happening, the sun was setting on then still-mighty European empires. The "international community" was basically comprised of these empires. Imperialism was their thing, and as long as the big empires respected eachothers' spoils, it was acceptable in that international community's eyes to take them over.

The interceding century has seen many nations burst into independence as these empires have dies off, to varying degrees of success, of course. International trade and commerce has grown on a level that no one could have imagined in the 1800's. Even in just the last half century, the changes in how the political world functions have been massive... if it was as it was in times past and China had its current levels of strength, you bet they'd exert their power to get what they want from Japan, Korea, Vietnam, and the Philippines - islands, territorial waters, and the natural resources under them.

The thing is that China believes that those are theirs, always have been theirs, and thus they have a right to them - they are not sending a boat to an island in the South Pacific, unloading a bunch of marines, raising the CCP flag and declaring the island's inhabitants to be subjects of China. China doesn't want to see the West take a massive dive, because that would create a massive dent in exports and impact China's growth and stability. The powers-that-be in China aren't so stupid as to think that its domestic economy, massive as it may be, could make up for such a loss.

The world doesn't have a whole lot to fear about China surpassing whatever country in whatever metric. It's just the winds of change. This is just how the world works. China is actually one of the more benign players on the international stage. People in the US (keep in mind as I say this that I am an American) have more to worry about from their militarized civic police forces than they do about China surpassing them by some metric.
well said.

It is so stupid to boast about one's imperialist past.
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Old 10-26-2014, 01:35 PM
 
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It's the result of a slow process of prostituting our economy out by our own politicians.
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Old 10-26-2014, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Fayetteville
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It's the result of a slow process of prostituting our economy out by our own politicians.
I skimmed some of your posts and I assume you mean the US economy.
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Old 10-26-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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I skimmed some of your posts and I assume you mean the US economy.
There are other countries where politicians prostitute out their economy?
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Old 10-26-2014, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Fayetteville
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There are other countries where politicians prostitute out their economy?
If by prostituting the economy you mean buying cheap Chinese products then yes, I've seen the same thing happening in Thailand. Otherwise I'd have to know what is meant by prostituting out the economy before I could try to answer.

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Old 10-27-2014, 02:02 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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It could be though outsourcing Amercian jobs to China.
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Old 10-27-2014, 03:41 AM
 
Location: Fayetteville
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It could be though outsourcing Amercian jobs to China.
From what I've read this is slowing down, I know walmart is trying to "onshore" jobs because its getting more expensive to manufacture things in China. I would think this would be more the fault of private companies than politicians and outsourcing certainly isn't exclusive to the US.
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Old 10-27-2014, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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^There will always be alternative to China in terms of cheap labor (yes Vietnam, I'm talking to you), where the US capitalists can take advantage of.
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Old 10-27-2014, 08:19 AM
 
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^There will always be alternative to China in terms of cheap labor (yes Vietnam, I'm talking to you), where the US capitalists can take advantage of.
Isn't it cheaper or about the same to manufacture in the Philippines, too? The Philippines is also very American friendly, which is why a lot of US call centers were outsourced there
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