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Old 10-20-2014, 07:14 PM
 
Location: NoVa
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
Unless we in American re-learn these traits, we will result to loose more jobs.
Are you serious? Corporations open shops in Asia to cut costs, period. Nothing to do with whatever traits you're talking about.

Besides, America is already the hardest working nation in the western world, our infamous standard 2 weeks vacation is the butt of every joke in the Western Hemisphere.
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Old 10-22-2014, 10:04 PM
 
Location: American Expat
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What I earlier said was wrong. My friend earns 2.8 million Dong per month (131 Dollar). Sadly, that's the monthly wage, as they do not pay you per hour. You have to work as many hours as they want you to work. This week alone he worked over 70 hours. One day 12 hours straight. No break ! That works out to be less than the 50 cents per hour I quoted earlier.
And that's a fashion store chain in Vietnam. Kind of like GAP, if you will.

Anyone who mentions this and "strong work ethic" in the same sentence needs to be put in a mental home. That's clearly exploitation. Anyone with half a brain knows that.
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Old 10-22-2014, 11:31 PM
 
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What I earlier said was wrong. My friend earns 2.8 million Dong per month (131 Dollar). Sadly, that's the monthly wage, as they do not pay you per hour. You have to work as many hours as they want you to work. This week alone he worked over 70 hours. One day 12 hours straight. No break ! That works out to be less than the 50 cents per hour I quoted earlier.
And that's a fashion store chain in Vietnam. Kind of like GAP, if you will.

Anyone who mentions this and "strong work ethic" in the same sentence needs to be put in a mental home. That's clearly exploitation. Anyone with half a brain knows that.
Most countries in the world are developing countries with low wages.
China had the same salaries as today's Vietnam just 10 years ago but now it's tripled. Vietnam will get there soon by hard work.
Poor people in the US should learn from them too.
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Old 10-23-2014, 01:19 AM
 
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not so 50 years ago we were just like them. what changed? what now strikes you as some sort of mental illness was the norm 50 years ago here. the asians have never lost work ethic, we have. that is why we import or export all our labor.
This isn't true. It's the opposite; 50 years ago, Americans took annual vacations, and most worked a normal 40-hr. week. Now, many are pressured to work through their vacations, or the company says they can't spare them, and many more people work 50 and 60-hr. weeks at their jobs. Americans have surpassed the Japanese in workaholism. Even just 30 years ago, Americans used to pity the Japanese, and stories about long work hours and no vacations seemed exotic. But that way of life has now come to the US.
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Old 10-23-2014, 02:14 AM
 
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South Korea and Japan are way up there with heavy workloads and high suicide rates. From the time they enter school they study from early morning to late at night. When they are done with their daytime school, they go into a private "cram" school, known in South Korea as a hagwon. In Japan they are expected to stay after school and clean their classroom. Study is a crucial part of their lives and later, work. This leads many people to "snap" usually through suicide. In Japan they named a place "suicide forest" because of all the deaths that have occured there. It's a sad culture and sad way of life, the governments are taking small steps to try to lessen the work loads. Unfortunately the culture itself may not die out for many more years, but I truly hope something will be done to lessen the suffering of these hard working countries. As far as I know South Korea has the world's highest suicide rate.
Third highest, actually. North Korea comes 2nd, and Guyana is at the very top!
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Old 10-23-2014, 02:19 AM
 
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China is more of a work hard, play hard culture, especially for white collar workers in the cities. Sure, they work more hours but they usually enjoy more time off (due to national holidays and paid time off) than Americans.

I wouldn't be surprised if work hours in China becomes similar to those in Germany today in several decades, especially after they become a developed country.
Realistically, I don't see that happening. They're culturally VASTLY different nations.
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Old 10-23-2014, 02:22 AM
 
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Not quite true. How that work gets used and how the benefits are distributed matter more. Smart work and enthusiastic play seem to be the ideal combination.

Working so hard as to make life itself miserable makes no sense and is counterproductive for most.

S.
Then why not work less to adjust the efficiency and productivity? Isn't the answer supposed to be that simple?
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Old 10-23-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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I have been to Tokyo, Seoul, Hongkong and Taiwan. I think OT is deep-root culture in Japan, and SK imitates but in more efficient way.

I just think there's no other way around if there are weely quotas/monthly quotas/yearly quotas hanging over your head. it's really stressful.
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Old 10-28-2014, 04:26 PM
 
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In Asia, a lot of children study 12 hours a day. When they grow up they naturally work long hours too.
Many Americans work long hours too, such as accountants, lawyers, programmers. They also did that in college and graduate/professional school.
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Old 10-28-2014, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Singapore
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it seems that most countries in Asia tend to be workaholic, how many hours per day do people work in average in the developed countries of Asia?

Japan
China
South Korea
Hong Kong
Singapore
Taiwan
Malasya


Logically, people should work more hours when their countries have less technology, but most of these countries are highly modernized, in your opinion why do most of these countries tend to work much more hours, then Europeans countries?
Please, Malaysia cannot be described as a hardworking country. It is also far from being developed.
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