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Old 10-31-2014, 11:32 AM
 
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Oh, another thing regarding spoken intelligibility: remember that Mandarin has 4 tones. A popular example of this is the word "ma:"

mā (1st tone): mother
má (2nd tone): hemp
mǎ (3rd tone): horse
mà (4th tone): scold

If you use má to whip your mǎ, your mā will mà you.

The tones can make it so that a simple sentence can sound all over the place to a non-Chinese speaker, and it has to sound that way or it could have a different meaning, whereas listening to a couple people speaking Japanese means that, unless it's on an anime or from a girl trying to be excessively kawaii, it's going to more or less sound like "~~~~~~~desu. ~~~~~~~~~~desu. ~~~~~~desu ka?" "~~~~~~~~hai," and you can change the expression of the sentence the same way you would in English to show sarcasm, etc. Raising a few tones here or or there for inflective purposes in Chinese could make the sentence gibberish.

One interesting side effect of this I've noticed from teaching, is that when I teach English to Chinese kids, they copy the tone I use completely even if they bumble the words; when I tutored some Japanese folks back in the US, they would copy the words but keep the tone flat.
Chinese has intonations too. People do alter the pitch for pragmatic purposes.
But with tones, it becomes more complex.
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Old 10-31-2014, 12:23 PM
 
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I'm ethnic Han Chinese, born in mainland China. At least for myself, whenever I encounter written Japanese, I can understand at least 50% of the characters in a sentence, if not more. Some characters in Japanese may be arranged differently than modern day Chinese, but it's not too hard to dissect its meaning if you can fluently read and write simplified (and preferably traditional) Chinese.

As for spoken Japanese and Chinese, they are totally different. Couldn't understand a single word.
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Old 10-31-2014, 10:25 PM
 
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I'm ethnic Han Chinese, born in mainland China. At least for myself, whenever I encounter written Japanese, I can understand at least 50% of the characters in a sentence, if not more. Some characters in Japanese may be arranged differently than modern day Chinese, but it's not too hard to dissect its meaning if you can fluently read and write simplified (and preferably traditional) Chinese.

As for spoken Japanese and Chinese, they are totally different. Couldn't understand a single word.
100% TOTALLY TRUE. It's like a native English speaker without any knowledge of another language struggling to understand French/German/Italian.
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Old 10-31-2014, 10:27 PM
 
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As for spoken Japanese and Chinese, they are totally different. Couldn't understand a single word.
Watch more Japanese animations, you'd understand quite a few lmfao.
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:21 AM
 
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Watch more Japanese animations, you'd understand quite a few lmfao.
Huh? They sound NOTHING alike at all. I know you're the biggest Japanophile on here, but come on, even THAT is a stretch
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:24 AM
 
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Huh? They sound NOTHING alike at all. I know you're the biggest Japanophile on here, but come on, even THAT is a stretch
Lol I meant if he watches more Japanese animations naturally he'd pick up some Japanese.
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:29 AM
 
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Lol I meant if he watches more Japanese animations naturally he'd pick up some Japanese.
Oh. I try that with Korean

I watched anime for almost 20 years, and only know about a dozen words. Maybe I should pay attention more instead of getting distracted by the anime itself
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:32 AM
 
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^You can try video games.
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:44 AM
 
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Japanese and Chinese they do basically have same script but they are two different languages. But if some one learned far further kanji there is a big possibility to understand Chinese language well. I know because I do.
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:59 AM
 
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Japanese and Chinese they do basically have same script but they are two different languages. But if some one learned far further kanji there is a big possibility to understand Chinese language well. I know because I do.
You're the first person that makes this claim

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^You can try video games.
You can't get imported games here that work Well you can but they are usually pretty expensive. That's actually how I learned English
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