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Old 11-30-2014, 09:55 PM
 
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I would like to know what is the attitude towards this topic in China today.

I know that everyone in China has been confronted with this question: why was everything in the modern world created by Europeans. Why had China remained unchanged for 2000 years?

I think the reason is quite obvious. Every male was created for only one purpose, to serve his parents till death. The parents are like two giant anchors chained to both legs of every male whoever lived in china.

Do modern Chinese people recognize this? Are they still living with their parents?

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Old 12-01-2014, 02:21 AM
 
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Things are not that simple.

A major reason why China didn't have a lot of inventions in recent centuries is that China is in a relatively isolated location and all the nations around China were much more backward than China, and thus there was no positive flow of knowledge.

China did learn a lot from Persians and Arabs, and Indians. A lot of words in Chinese were loanwords from Persian and Sanskrit.
 
Old 12-01-2014, 06:30 AM
 
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I would like to know what is the attitude towards this topic in China today.

I know that everyone in China has been confronted with this question: why was everything in the modern world created by Europeans. Why had China remained unchanged for 2000 years?

I think the reason is quite obvious. Every male was created for only one purpose, to serve his parents till death. The parents are like two giant anchors chained to both legs of every male whoever lived in china.

Do modern Chinese people recognize this? Are they still living with their parents?
South Korean also has filial piety, yet they are far from stagnant.
 
Old 12-01-2014, 09:19 AM
 
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Things are not that simple.

A major reason why China didn't have a lot of inventions in recent centuries is that China is in a relatively isolated location and all the nations around China were much more backward than China, and thus there was no positive flow of knowledge.

China did learn a lot from Persians and Arabs, and Indians. A lot of words in Chinese were loanwords from Persian and Sanskrit.
I doubt it's just a geography issue. Japan and South Korea are even more isolated than China, yet Japan since WWII has been one of the most technologically advanced and innovative nations in modern human history. There was a time not too long ago when China (and even Korea) looked down upon Japan as a backwater hell hole infested with pirates and barbarians.

Returning to the OP's question about modern-day filial piety in China, I think it most definitely plays a large role in societal and family relations. In fact, it would not be too exaggerated to say that filial piety has always been one of those sacred "core values" that has transcended time in Chinese history, and every successive dynasty and ruling government in China has actively promoted this core value as a way to demonstrate moral up-righteousness and is closely linked with loyalty that bonded officials and the emperor. Even the emperor himself often felt the need to proactively demonstrate filial piety to his parents/ancestors (as demonstrated by Qianlong Emperor's construction of the lavish Palace of Tranquil Longevity as a public statement to not rule longer than his revered grandfather Kangxi Emperor).

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Old 12-01-2014, 09:39 AM
 
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South Korean also has filial piety, yet they are far from stagnant.
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I doubt it's just a geography issue. Japan and South Korea are even more isolated than China, yet Japan since WWII has been one of the most technologically advanced and innovative nations in modern human history. There was a time not too long ago when China (and even Korea) looked down upon Japan as a backwater hell hole infested with pirates and barbarians.
Japan and Korea didn't make anything. They learned everything they know from China, and then recently from Europeans. They are not innovative at all, just like China.

They did learn and copy and adopt sooner than China, which is why they are more advance than China right now.

And yes, because of that, they have improved on many things.

But again, the idea of progress was never part Korea or Japan, just like it was never part of China.

Progress is the name of the game, and only Europeans had that idea. Only Europeans innovate for the sake of innovation.

Everything China had ever invented was purely out of necessity.
 
Old 12-01-2014, 09:50 AM
 
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I doubt it's just a geography issue. Japan and South Korea are even more isolated than China, yet Japan since WWII has been one of the most technologically advanced and innovative nations in modern human history. There was a time not too long ago when China (and even Korea) looked down upon Japan as a backwater hell hole infested with pirates and barbarians.
The reason why Japan and Korea were able to adopt sooner than China is simple: they are small countries, both geographically and population wise and because they did not have as much pride in their culture as China did. China for thousands of years thought that they were the greatest thing ever. It was simply unfathomable that someone else's civilization was superior. Plus, it was far more difficult to mobilize and change the mindset of 600 million people.

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Returning to the OP's question about modern-day filial piety in China, I think it most definitely plays a large role in societal and family relations. In fact, it would not be too exaggerated to say that filial piety has always been one of those sacred "core values" that has transcended time in Chinese history, and every successive dynasty and ruling government in China has actively promoted this core value as a way to demonstrate moral up-righteousness and is closely linked with loyalty that bonded officials and the emperor. Even the emperor himself often felt the need to proactively demonstrate filial piety to his parents/ancestors (as demonstrated by Qianlong Emperor's construction of the lavish Palace of Tranquil Longevity as a public statement to not rule longer than his revered grandfather Kangxi Emperor).
I probably guessed that people still live with their parents, even today. But questions is, do the modern Chinese recognizes that this idea of deferring to your parents, and being obedient, and having to live with them till their death is the reason why they are stagnant?

Do they see that individuality and EGO are what breed innovation?
 
Old 12-01-2014, 01:36 PM
 
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The reason why Japan and Korea were able to adopt sooner than China is simple: they are small countries, both geographically and population wise and because they did not have as much pride in their culture as China did. China for thousands of years thought that they were the greatest thing ever. It was simply unfathomable that someone else's civilization was superior. Plus, it was far more difficult to mobilize and change the mindset of 600 million people.



I probably guessed that people still live with their parents, even today. But questions is, do the modern Chinese recognizes that this idea of deferring to your parents, and being obedient, and having to live with them till their death is the reason why they are stagnant?

Do they see that individuality and EGO are what breed innovation?
Urban Chinese live in apartment buildings and the elderly parents stay with them only if they have nowhere else to stay.
In the countryside, it may be more common to have multi-generation families but many young people work in the city nowadays.

In China, the law also requires adults to support their parents when it is necessary. In other words, if your parents are 80 years old and have no place to live, you are required to host them.
 
Old 12-01-2014, 02:29 PM
 
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The reason why Japan and Korea were able to adopt sooner than China is simple: they are small countries, both geographically
people keep forgetting about this fact: it is much more difficult for a large country to be fully developed than a smaller country.

Take a look at rankings of countries by GDP: besides Japan and the US, none of the rich countries have a very large population (over 100M), and the vast majority are pretty small countries with less than 50 million, a lot of them smaller than 10 million, which is smaller than many Chinese cities.

China has 17 times the population of Germany, 20 times that of UK/France, 27 times of S Korea, 60 times of Taiwan and 10 times of Japan, which is already a pretty big country.

Guangdong Province alone would be the 12th largest country in the world, more populous than any European country by more than 50%.

Yangtze River Delta, a small part of China geographically, with a population of 140M, has a similar population of Russia and more than Japan.

One shouldn't be surprised it takes China a lot longer to fully adopt anything new than some small country like the Netherlands or Taiwan. There are so many people and so much historical baggage.

Japan seems an outlier and they really turned thing around very quickly and fully caught up with western countries within a few decades. It was never replicated elsewhere I believe as a big country. The US, I am less impressed but it has a short history and less baggage and so much natural resource.
 
Old 12-01-2014, 02:31 PM
 
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In China, the law also requires adults to support their parents when it is necessary. In other words, if your parents are 80 years old and have no place to live, you are required to host them.
in western societies, the children don't see to assume any responsibility and it is up to the state or other unknown taxpayers to support poor seniors, which to me makes absolutely no sense. IMO, family support should come first, and if exhausted, social assistant can come into play.
 
Old 12-01-2014, 03:00 PM
 
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Japan and Korea didn't make anything. They learned everything they know from China, and then recently from Europeans. They are not innovative at all, just like China.

They did learn and copy and adopt sooner than China, which is why they are more advance than China right now.

And yes, because of that, they have improved on many things.

But again, the idea of progress was never part Korea or Japan, just like it was never part of China.

Progress is the name of the game, and only Europeans had that idea. Only Europeans innovate for the sake of innovation.

Everything China had ever invented was purely out of necessity.
Not innovative?

China invented paper and gunpowder. Pretty society-changing.

Korea invented the MP3 player, and multimedia broadcasting.

Japan invented Nintendo, general anesthesia, pocket calculators, CD's and flash drives.

All very innovative, and innovated for the sake of innovation. And all changed the way we live our lives today.
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