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Old 05-01-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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Just read the book "Asia's Cauldron," very good.

Is it true that America has tons of warships in the South China Sea, so that if Taiwan is attacked, our ships can move northward and defend Taiwan? Is that the idea?

There have been conflicts between China, Vietnam and the Phillipines. Is the US trying to be the police down there, or is it just there so it can move towards Taiwan if needed?

It may also have to do with sea piracy which is large in Malaysia. Is America being the police against the piracy? Which the book mentioned very little.
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Old 05-01-2015, 01:22 PM
 
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Taiwan just should ask to become our territory like Guam and the NMI are. China won't bother them then. China attacking US soil? In their wildest dreams.
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Old 05-01-2015, 07:18 PM
 
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Taiwan just should ask to become our territory like Guam and the NMI are. China won't bother them then. China attacking US soil? In their wildest dreams.
they said the same about imperial japan
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Old 05-01-2015, 07:48 PM
 
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they said the same about imperial japan
And look what happened. They lost their empire and became occupied by the US. Which, proves my point
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Old 05-01-2015, 07:57 PM
 
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And look what happened. They lost their empire and became occupied by the US. Which, proves my point
China is an unoccupiable country. America simply does not have the resources to occupy a country that is as large as the US and that has 4 times the population of the US. And if you think the Chinese would willingly allow themselves to be occupied by a foreign power, you have got to be kidding yourself. The Chinese were willing to lose 20 million lives to prevent themselves from falling under Japanese dominion, what makes you think they would be okay with the US occupying them? There is also no way any Americans would be okay with taking over Taiwan. Americans would not be comfortable admitting a country that has over 20 million non white people who do not speak English and have a completely foreign culture.
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Old 05-01-2015, 08:07 PM
 
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Just read the book "Asia's Cauldron," very good.

Is it true that America has tons of warships in the South China Sea, so that if Taiwan is attacked, our ships can move northward and defend Taiwan? Is that the idea?

There have been conflicts between China, Vietnam and the Phillipines. Is the US trying to be the police down there, or is it just there so it can move towards Taiwan if needed?

It may also have to do with sea piracy which is large in Malaysia. Is America being the police against the piracy? Which the book mentioned very little.
They also have a big warship in South Korea and Japan. So yeah, American military has wide presence in the Pacific coast in Asia.
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Old 05-01-2015, 08:07 PM
 
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China is an unoccupiable country. America simply does not have the resources to occupy a country that is as large as the US and that has 4 times the population of the US. And if you think the Chinese would willingly allow themselves to be occupied by a foreign power, you have got to be kidding yourself. The Chinese were willing to lose 20 million lives to prevent themselves from falling under Japanese dominion, what makes you think they would be okay with the US occupying them? There is also no way any Americans would be okay with taking over Taiwan. Americans would not be comfortable admitting a country that has over 20 million non white people who do not speak English and have a completely foreign culture.
Notice I said Taiwan asks the US to make them a territory. And, I also said territory, not a state. You are taking this way too seriously. Don't push too hard, that causes hernias.
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:34 PM
 
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Just read the book "Asia's Cauldron," very good.

Is it true that America has tons of warships in the South China Sea, so that if Taiwan is attacked, our ships can move northward and defend Taiwan? Is that the idea?

There have been conflicts between China, Vietnam and the Phillipines. Is the US trying to be the police down there, or is it just there so it can move towards Taiwan if needed?

It may also have to do with sea piracy which is large in Malaysia. Is America being the police against the piracy? Which the book mentioned very little.
If the US decided to join ROC's side in a defensive war against the PRC, I think it more possible for the force to be sent from Japan. Only in Japan are there permanent bases for the 7th Fleet and other units.
The US doesn't really has in the current time any sizable base in the South East Asia, nor does it intend to do so in near future.


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Taiwan just should ask to become our territory like Guam and the NMI are. China won't bother them then. China attacking US soil? In their wildest dreams.
Let alone the willingness of the Taiwan people, if the US would be diplomatically able to make such move, it'd be more simple to just have a solid defensive alliance like the US-Japanese mutual defense treaty. (There's no such relation between the ROC and the US now largely because of the fierce opposition from the PRC)

Also Guam or Puerto Rico isn't really a successful example economically.
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Old 05-02-2015, 06:21 AM
 
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Taiwan just should ask to become our territory like Guam and the NMI are. China won't bother them then. China attacking US soil? In their wildest dreams.
what a crazy idea... by the same token, Israel, Korea etc. should all become part of the US? Why would a well functioning country in Asia want to be a US territory? You talk as if the US is working great economically and politically and has the capacity to include more territories 10,000 miles away. Maybe you should check the US debt first?

China won't attach Taiwan as long as it doesn't declare independence. The current arrangement and works fine. But trust me, China won't hesitate to go to war with the US if that does happen, and this is the one thing it won't compromise at any cost.

Honestly, if Taiwan has the slightest intention to declare dependence, the US might be the first to crush that idea, because a war doesn't do anyone any good.
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Old 05-02-2015, 08:34 AM
 
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There are nukes involved. No one is going to occupy anyone else. The US and China will keep taiwan the way it is...a Republic of China that's running itself but has no real diplomatic heft.

The only clincher will be when a retard green politician decides to rock the boat. A pointless declaration of de jure independence for the ROT will come out, and China will be forced to take action. The US will scream and most likely the green politician will be eliminated and status quo re-established.

If taiwan"invites" the US in, or ask the US for admission to the union, that will trigger a Chinese invasion under the Anti-Secession law. The US will force taiwan to retract that request, guaranteed.

If it does not, then there will be war, China will be defeated but only after the US also suffer major damage. Nuke exchanges will be averted only when each side backs down. Taiwan will be decimated. Greyholic will be among the stream of destitute refugees clamouring onto rickety boats. I will be watching with my popcorn in front of my flatscreen.

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