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Old 05-11-2015, 09:10 PM
 
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What is the current formal status of Taiwan? Is Taiwan considered a sovereign state in the international system?

 
Old 05-11-2015, 11:04 PM
 
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Taiwan has only been recognized by a few countries since its founding. A few African, Central American and Oceanic nations recognize Taiwan. It was kicked out of the UN in the 70's, and the US withdrew its recognition of the Republic of China (ROC) as the one and only China in the 70's, under Pres. Carter. The US does maintain a de facto (unofficial) "embassy" on Taiwan, still, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_Taiwan

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Old 05-12-2015, 03:08 AM
 
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What is the current formal status of Taiwan? Is Taiwan considered a sovereign state in the international system?
Technically, your question's answer is a "No". The state of "Taiwan" does not exist as a sovereign entity. There is the PRC and there is the ROC, but never a state called "Taiwan", except in the imagination of some people.

The title, Republic of China, is the official name for the government operating out of the island of Taiwan. The term "Taiwan" is similar in function to the terms "Hainan Island" and "Penghu Islands". It is simply a geographical name.
 
Old 05-12-2015, 02:10 PM
 
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China experienced a civil war after WW2. The losing side fled to Taiwan(ROC). Japan colonized Taiwan for about 40 years prior to WW2, before invading China. China has never officially annexed Taiwan but Taiwan's population is mostly ethnically Chinese. China will likely treat Taiwan like Hong Kong in the future due to its close proximity.
 
Old 05-12-2015, 04:38 PM
 
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The Qing officially annexed the island of taiwan when their generals successfully invaded and defeated the last Ming loyalists hiding out on the island. It was incorporated as a prefecture of Fujian province since then. In 1895, the island was ceded to Japan as part of the Treaty of Shimonoseki. The japanese ruled it until their defeat in 1945, and when the Potsdam and Cairo Declarations made clear that all territories taken from China by Japan will be returned to China (which was under the ROC Nationalist led government). Civil War in China ensued, and the losing side (Nationalists GMD) fled to Taiwan, where they sat to this day. But the ROC, which is the official government of the island of Taiwan, is a multi party political system today.

The ROC is the current government of Taiwan, and it still claims to be the rightful government of all of China, which includes the mainland, all of outer Mongolia, taiwan, Hainan, all the islands of Dongsha, Xisha, and Nansha (all of the Spratly islands in the SCS). In fact, the government on taiwan has greater territorial claim than the communist led government of the PRC in Beijing.
 
Old 05-12-2015, 06:06 PM
 
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The ROC is the current government of Taiwan, and it still claims to be the rightful government of all of China, which includes the mainland, all of outer Mongolia, taiwan, Hainan, all the islands of Dongsha, Xisha, and Nansha (all of the Spratly islands in the SCS). In fact, the government on taiwan has greater territorial claim than the communist led government of the PRC in Beijing.
Taiwan (ROC) claims Outer Mongolia?
 
Old 05-12-2015, 07:30 PM
 
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Taiwan (ROC) claims Outer Mongolia?
Yes
 
Old 05-12-2015, 10:47 PM
 
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Yes
I see their claim to Mongolia has been sporadic over time. I also see they claim Tuva, and part of Tajikistan and Burma. Interesting.

Dream on, Taiwan!
 
Old 05-12-2015, 11:04 PM
 
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I see their claim to Mongolia has been sporadic over time. I also see they claim Tuva, and part of Tajikistan and Burma. Interesting.

Dream on, Taiwan!
I find it amazing the ROC claims even more territory than the PRC does, and PRC gets criticized for claiming islands in its territory
 
Old 05-13-2015, 11:46 AM
 
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I find it amazing the ROC claims even more territory than the PRC does, and PRC gets criticized for claiming islands in its territory
Yup. But nobody cares about the ROC on Taiwan because it lacks any power to do anything about its claims. That's the difference between the two.

When you are a weakling, you can claim the moon, Mars and even Saturn, and nobody would mind. That's because you're essentially talking to yourself like a lunatic.

But when you are a big guy like China, claiming even a speck of rock will get people all worried about your intentions, your real motives, your future actions, the color of your underwear, your waist size etc etc etc. That's because you are a big guy and nobody dares overlook you.
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