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Old 05-15-2015, 08:59 PM
 
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South Koreans have no problem with Americans wiping out millions of Koreans in the Korean War yet they won't stop harping on Japan for the past even though the Japanese killed comparatively fewer Koreans.
Ummm, you do realize that South Korea and the U.S. were, like, allies in the Korean War?
I think that's just the start of comparing one to the other.
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Old 05-15-2015, 09:38 PM
 
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Ummm, you do realize that South Korea and the U.S. were, like, allies in the Korean War?
I think that's just the start of comparing one to the other.
They promote a lot of propaganda emphasizing their ethnicity/nationality. Both South and North Koreans agree on one thing and that is anger towards Japan. Of course, Koreans often leave out that they assisted the Japanese in colonizing Manchukuo and that the Japanese never committed anything on the scale of the Nanjing Massacre against them but of course that goes against the official narrative.
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Old 05-15-2015, 09:44 PM
 
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Im still wondering when the United Nations is going to add Tibet, Hong Kong, Macau, and Xinjiang to the list of non-self governing territories due to the brutal Chinese occupation of these places.

Meanwhile the absurdly archaic UN thinks that Bermuda - completely self governing except for defense and foreign affairs - is a "British colony". Do you think Tibet has anywhere near that level of self government?
It used to. The Tibetan Empire used include Xinjiang, parts of China and Afghanistan, and parts of India. That was before their pacifist Buddhist days, though.
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Old 05-15-2015, 10:15 PM
 
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Before Tibetans were buddhists, they used to be as aggressive as the mongolians.
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Old 05-16-2015, 12:44 AM
 
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They promote a lot of propaganda emphasizing their ethnicity/nationality. Both South and North Koreans agree on one thing and that is anger towards Japan. Of course, Koreans often leave out that they assisted the Japanese in colonizing Manchukuo and that the Japanese never committed anything on the scale of the Nanjing Massacre against them but of course that goes against the official narrative.
So you know the history, and that's true...Koreans were not treated as bad by the Japanese compared to Chinese or the millions of other Asian civilians they massacred, but still hundreds of thousands were put into slavery, and from those tens of thousands perished.
You mention the Korean War, so frankly the South Koreans should be condemning N. Korea and the Peoples Republic of China. Indeed the millions of deaths from that war can be directly attributed to them, the invasion that brought PLA troops to almost overrun the entire peninsula. Some do, but the younger Koreans seem more intent on the latest K-pop music rather than the 30,000 US soldiers sitting day after day, with rifles at the ready, away from their families on the DMZ for 50 years to keep them safe.
People of South Korea - yeah, you are welcome.
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Old 05-16-2015, 12:26 PM
 
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So you know the history, and that's true...Koreans were not treated as bad by the Japanese compared to Chinese or the millions of other Asian civilians they massacred, but still hundreds of thousands were put into slavery, and from those tens of thousands perished.
You mention the Korean War, so frankly the South Koreans should be condemning N. Korea and the Peoples Republic of China. Indeed the millions of deaths from that war can be directly attributed to them, the invasion that brought PLA troops to almost overrun the entire peninsula. Some do, but the younger Koreans seem more intent on the latest K-pop music rather than the 30,000 US soldiers sitting day after day, with rifles at the ready, away from their families on the DMZ for 50 years to keep them safe.
People of South Korea - yeah, you are welcome.
Maybe the US should have thought twice before asking the Soviet Union to invade North Korea. Maybe the US should have let Japan keep Korea if they didn't want any of this to happen. The PRC shouldn't be blamed for doing what it had to do to maintain its security. The DPRK is a horrible entity but for the PRC it fulfilled an important role and frankly the Chinese don't have any obligation to help the Koreans or the Americans achieve their goals that will put China at a massive disadvantage.
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Old 05-16-2015, 12:53 PM
 
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we are talking about the South China Sea right?

be happy they don't take the whole thing
Guess it's time to give India the Indian Ocean....
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Old 05-16-2015, 01:03 PM
 
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Maybe the US should have thought twice before asking the Soviet Union to invade North Korea. Maybe the US should have let Japan keep Korea if they didn't want any of this to happen. The PRC shouldn't be blamed for doing what it had to do to maintain its security. The DPRK is a horrible entity but for the PRC it fulfilled an important role and frankly the Chinese don't have any obligation to help the Koreans or the Americans achieve their goals that will put China at a massive disadvantage.
Do you honestly think there was a choice for the US? North Korea bordered Communist Russia and Communist China. There is no way the Soviet Union or PRC (who were US allies during the war) would just let the US have temporary jurisdiction over the area. Furthermore, it wasn't an "invasion" as Russia never actually went into North Korea. The only "invasion" of Korea occurred by the Chinese during the war.

They just spent years fighting the most prolific and deadly war in history. Do you really think the US/Soviets/China were going to continue a war, this time against its allies? The division of Korea was the only alternative between competing factions.

The PRC SHOULD be blamed because they have propped up an unstable and ruthless dictatorship. China stopped the reunification of the country by sending troops in towards the end. Of course, the Chinese military relied on numbers rather than actual strength. More Chinese died than Americans, British, Russians, and Koreans combined.

The PRC also continued to aid a dictator that has killed millions of people. This has NOTHING to do with PRC security, they just didn't want competition with a unified Korea, a motive that continues to this day. It wasn't for a buffer against the Americans either. If the US wanted to take over China at the end of WWII it would have been a piece of cake. We had no interest in becoming involved in China, which is why we also did not intervene during the civil war or communist takeover. China became involved because it wanted to destabilize the Korean peninsula or make it an ally.
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Old 05-16-2015, 02:06 PM
 
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Do you honestly think there was a choice for the US? North Korea bordered Communist Russia and Communist China. There is no way the Soviet Union or PRC (who were US allies during the war) would just let the US have temporary jurisdiction over the area. Furthermore, it wasn't an "invasion" as Russia never actually went into North Korea. The only "invasion" of Korea occurred by the Chinese during the war.

They just spent years fighting the most prolific and deadly war in history. Do you really think the US/Soviets/China were going to continue a war, this time against its allies? The division of Korea was the only alternative between competing factions.

The PRC SHOULD be blamed because they have propped up an unstable and ruthless dictatorship. China stopped the reunification of the country by sending troops in towards the end. Of course, the Chinese military relied on numbers rather than actual strength. More Chinese died than Americans, British, Russians, and Koreans combined.

The PRC also continued to aid a dictator that has killed millions of people. This has NOTHING to do with PRC security, they just didn't want competition with a unified Korea, a motive that continues to this day. It wasn't for a buffer against the Americans either. If the US wanted to take over China at the end of WWII it would have been a piece of cake. We had no interest in becoming involved in China, which is why we also did not intervene during the civil war or communist takeover. China became involved because it wanted to destabilize the Korean peninsula or make it an ally.
North Korea's atrocities are of North Korean making not of Chinese making. The PRC gives aid but I don't recall them forcing the North Korean to set certain policies. People need to stop blaming them for that humanitarian crisis because frankly the Chinese have no obligation to help the people there since that is not their responsibility.

Of course the Chinese don't want a unified Korea, why would anyone want to strengthen a potential rival? The Koreans have claims on certain regions of Manchuria that are currently unenforceable since they lack strength. The squabbles with Vietnam show China that even a Communist led unified Korea would be a major threat to its interests.
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Old 05-16-2015, 02:16 PM
 
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Before Tibetans were buddhists, they used to be as aggressive as the mongolians.
Yeah, if they'd stayed that way, they'd probably still be independent. Buddhism, IMO, didn't do the Tibetans any favors.
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