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Old 07-04-2015, 02:11 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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So in short: the Chinese government will execute you for more reasons after being subject to a trial in a closed judicial system, while in the US, you are more likely to be killed by an agent of the law without the benefit of a trial for a perceived offense that is non-capital in nature anyways. And despite this and the US' more opaque judicial and appeals systems, the US still executes more people per year in raw numbers and, by proxy, percentages.
Uhm..... In 2013 China executed slightly over 2,400 of its citizens for various crimes. That same year in the USA the government executed 39 of its citizens for murder and there were 403 arrest-related deaths. So China 2,400+ compared to USA 442 - not even close.

And, that should be the USA's more "transparent" judicial and appeals system, China has the more opaque system. Truthfully, I do question how much higher that 2,400 is, given that cloistered judicial system of China, but I'm willing to let it stay with the verified number for argument's sake.
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Old 07-04-2015, 02:20 AM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Uhm..... In 2013 China executed slightly over 2,400 of its citizens for various crimes. That same year in the USA the government executed 39 of its citizens for murder and there were 403 arrest-related deaths. So China 2,400+ compared to USA 442 - not even close. And, that should be the USA's more "transparent" judicial and appeals system, China has the more opaque system.
My bad. I am pretty overworked and tired as it's the end semester, and did mix up transparent and opaque.

I also mixed up incarceration rates and execution rates (which is also indicative of human rights violations IMHO); the US' far outpaces that of China. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...rceration_rate
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Old 07-04-2015, 02:40 AM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Just a war of words. Soon to be followed with a real fight/war.
Nah. The economic loss to both nations would be far too heavy.
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Old 07-04-2015, 02:45 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Which counts for more --- executing a man with 40 years of life expectancy remaining, or imprisoning a man for 40years? Or imprisoning ten men for four years, which America so gleefully does

Add u0 how many years of human life are denied and it is no contest. America per capita, holds more men in prison than the highest credible estimates fot rven Notth Korea
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Old 07-04-2015, 03:10 AM
 
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Which counts for more --- executing a man with 40 years of life expectancy remaining, or imprisoning a man for 40years? Or imprisoning ten men for four years, which America so gleefully does

Add u0 how many years of human life are denied and it is no contest. America per capita, holds more men in prison than the highest credible estimates fot rven Notth Korea
I'll take incarceration any day over execution, it isn't even a contest. There have been prisoners who have figured out a way to make a meaningful life while locked up but once you are gone, you are gone.
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Old 07-04-2015, 01:01 PM
 
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I'll take incarceration any day over execution, it isn't even a contest. There have been prisoners who have figured out a way to make a meaningful life while locked up but once you are gone, you are gone.
Some should be gone instead of be kept alive on the back of taxpayers even after committing heinous crimes. Number of execution is not a good measure of human rights, if that's what you are implying. It is almost irrelevant because those are criminals and how to do with them is not a matter of human right.
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Old 07-04-2015, 07:58 PM
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Some should be gone instead of be kept alive on the back of taxpayers even after committing heinous crimes. Number of execution is not a good measure of human rights, if that's what you are implying. It is almost irrelevant because those are criminals and how to do with them is not a matter of human right.
Interesting you don't know what their crimes were and even so China isn't known for being transparent and truthful. Take a look China was harvesting organs from executed prisoners they accounted for 2/3 of all transplant organs in China, but then again China plays by it's own rules.

China to stop harvesting executed prisoners' organs - BBC News

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Old 07-04-2015, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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Some should be gone instead of be kept alive on the back of taxpayers even after committing heinous crimes. Number of execution is not a good measure of human rights, if that's what you are implying. It is almost irrelevant because those are criminals and how to do with them is not a matter of human right.
Yeah keep using the "taxpayers" argument, how valid.

Death penalty is far more expensive than incarceration.
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Old 07-05-2015, 05:39 PM
 
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The USA won't pay attention to this in the same way China ignores every criticism from the US (look at how China is ignoring the US in the South China Sea). It accomplishes nothing on both sides. The US needs to learn to stop sticking its nose into every country's business.
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Old 07-06-2015, 12:13 PM
 
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The USA won't pay attention to this in the same way China ignores every criticism from the US (look at how China is ignoring the US in the South China Sea). It accomplishes nothing on both sides. The US needs to learn to stop sticking its nose into every country's business.
What you said is exactly true. All of it.
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