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Old 07-03-2015, 11:45 AM
 
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Full text: The Human Rights Record of the United States in 2014- China.org.cn

Nice to see criticism from both sides.

"Plenty of facts show that, in 2014, the U.S., a self-proclaimed human rights defender, saw no improvements in its existent human rights issues, but reported numerous new problems. While its own human rights situation was increasingly grave, the U.S. violated human rights in other countries in a more brazen manner, and was given more "red cards" in the international human rights field."
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Old 07-03-2015, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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The US and China both have dismal human rights records. Either nation's government trying to call out the other is pretty hypocritical.
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Old 07-03-2015, 08:07 PM
 
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Just a war of words. Soon to be followed with a real fight/war.
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Old 07-03-2015, 08:11 PM
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Full text: The Human Rights Record of the United States in 2014- China.org.cn

Nice to see criticism from both sides.

"Plenty of facts show that, in 2014, the U.S., a self-proclaimed human rights defender, saw no improvements in its existent human rights issues, but reported numerous new problems. While its own human rights situation was increasingly grave, the U.S. violated human rights in other countries in a more brazen manner, and was given more "red cards" in the international human rights field."
The USA has some issues but I don't believe anything coming out of China, a communist country but it was none the less entertaining to read the Chinese spin on America's social issues, after all they do have to make themselves look not so bad, China has a long ways to go.
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Old 07-03-2015, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The US and China both have dismal human rights records. Either nation's government trying to call out the other is pretty hypocritical.
Its not hypocritical. Both nations, and many others, compile annual evaluation on the intrrnal dynamics of all countries. It id not donr to "call out" anybody.
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Old 07-03-2015, 08:34 PM
 
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The US and China both have dismal human rights records. Either nation's government trying to call out the other is pretty hypocritical.
I wonder which is worse, killing people in its territory or killing people outside the territory.
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Old 07-03-2015, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Its not hypocritical. Both nations, and many others, compile annual evaluation on the intrrnal dynamics of all countries. It id not donr to "call out" anybody.
Compiling data on other nations' internal affairs isn't hypocritical at all.

Doing a press release to the media or calling a press conference to condemn their actions (I.e., "calling them out") when that nation itself is engaging in more or less the same behavior is indeed hypocritical.
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Old 07-03-2015, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I wonder which is worse, killing people in its territory or killing people outside the territory.
The US does far more of both. US executes/incarcerates far more of its own people than China, and outside its territory, US has no rival.
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Old 07-03-2015, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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I wonder which is worse, killing people in its territory or killing people outside the territory.
They are both disgusting, but the US just as adept at killing its own citizens at home as it is killing other nation's citizens abroad.

Both nations execute for capital offenses, though in the US, taking a life is generally the only action that can get you sentenced to death (treason and military desertion can as well, but this hasn't happened since WW2). China will also execute for drug offenses, rape or sexual assault, corruption and graft, or aiding and abetting these offenses.

China doesn't release all of its statistics on the matter, but the Chinese police forces are nowhere near as paramilitarized as the US police forces. Most beat cops here have a bicycle or are on foot and carry a club; most beat cops in the US sit in their cruiser most of the day wearing body armor, basically all of them carry a pistol, and nearly every cruiser has a shotgun and/or an AR-15, M4 carbine, SCAR, G36, etc (varies department to department, or in some deprtments, cop to cop - when I was interested in joining the SFPD or Oakland PD, officers were allowed to purchase and use their own 5.56mm selective-fire rifles for duty).

Police forces in China rarely kill suspects, and when it happens, it often creates a public outcry. The attitude is that even if the suspect was doing something bad, the police should be skilled enough to subdue a suspect without killing them so that they can be brought before a court. for instnace, recently, a railway police officer shot and killed a man who flipped out, asaulted other pasengers, his family, and the officer, and engaged in a minutes-long brawl in which he savagely beat a police officer, threw his toddler daughter against the pavement, shoved his elderly mom, and got the cop's club and started beatong people bwfore the cop fired one shot. Initial public outcry was that it was excessive force; the police released the surveillance video, and after the fact, the attitude was that while justified, the cop should have been able to stop the criminal without resorting to his firearm and was, basically, a wimp. The cop was still put through the judicial system and made to answer for his inability to stop the suspect using nonlethal means before being exonerated.

contrast this with back home in the 'States, where police shootings are a daily occurrence, to the point that they often don't make, or are only a small blip, in the media. There are countless examples of police officers shooting unarmed, surrendered, or fleeing suspects, and the usual justification for this was "I was scared." There is a lot of public apologism that they have a "really hard job" and that it is more or less to be expexted that if you don't immediately comply, then being killed or maimed is to be expected. Officers are very, very infrequently indicted, let alone tried or punished, for these killings, even when video is released that shows they did not follow procedure and opened fire straight away. This means that the judicial system is complicit in and facilitates the extrajudicial killings of its own citizens, which is indeed a human rights violation.

So in short: the Chinese government will execute you for more reasons after being subject to a trial in a closed judicial system, while in the US, you are more likely to be killed by an agent of the law without the benefit of a trial for a perceived offense that is non-capital in nature anyways. And despite this and the US' more opaque judicial and appeals systems, the US still executes more people per year in raw numbers and, by proxy, percentages.

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Old 07-04-2015, 12:11 AM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Just a war of words. Soon to be followed with a real fight/war.
Highly doubt this is going to start a war lol
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