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Old 07-25-2015, 12:48 AM
 
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To understand the Chinese, you need to first understand the primary social philosophy, which is Confusionism, named after the great sage, Confuse Us.

Once you understand the teachings of Confuse Us, you will be able to navigate through the maze resultant from adherence to Confusionism.

Good luck! 加油!
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Old 08-09-2015, 09:56 PM
 
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...and then there is this...

Woman spotted pooping in public to Hong Kong netizens

I can't tell if that is intentional or just being completely oblivious.

For those not familiar with Hong Kong/Chinese relations, there is a netizen group trying to publicly shame mainlander Chinese into proper social etiquette - i.e. no ****ting in the streets.

Since HK, is officially 'China' now, this is one of many issues for HK to try to resolve.
Is there a group publicly shaming this "netizen" group for being internet thugs?
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Old 08-09-2015, 09:59 PM
 
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OP, if you are able to concede that your religion may just be a point of view and not the ultimate truth, perhaps you may get an intelligent response. Otherwise your quest to understand anything outside what your bible allows you to will fail.
This
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Old 08-10-2015, 12:25 PM
 
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Yes, OP, you got a lot of things wrong here. If you dig deeper, HK has a lot of differences compared to China. So does Taiwan... Hong Kong and Taiwan have much lower rates of crime in almost all levels compared to the US, so the role of religion is not exactly a nice gauge of how moral or righteous everyone in the society is. Another mostly irreligious country (compared to the US) is Japan, and you can pretty much leave or even drop your wallet anywhere there and if you got an ID inside, the chances of getting your wallet back is much, much higher compared to any Christian country.

As others also pointed out, the US allies with Saudi Arabia and other countries even if they are against its Christian principles. Moreover, slavery actually flourished during the period when the US was an extremely religious society. The fear of going to hell does not exactly deter a lot of people from greed or other sins.
+1.

What kind of people believe religion makes people morally better? All the slavery, brutal colonization and killing happened when the Europeans were the most pious to God.

Or religion tells us, stealing or telling lies are sins, but invading countries thousands of miles away, forcing them to be slaves and killing whoever don't obey is totally acceptable?
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:59 AM
 
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To understand the Chinese, you need to first understand the primary social philosophy, which is Confusionism, named after the great sage, Confuse Us.

Once you understand the teachings of Confuse Us, you will be able to navigate through the maze resultant from adherence to Confusionism.

Good luck! 加油!
I believe it will be very difficult to understand chinese by just generalizing "the chinese", chinese are basically everywhere in the world...living in different regions, educated by different cultures...generalizing chinese is not a smart move, by judging chinese from HKer or TWers's point of view is even worse, coz they are only reprensting part of it.

Chinese civilaztion is the ONLY and the LONGEST still living civilization, Confusionism always plays the key, "saving face"(reputation) is very important to chinese...although from different time period, the "FACE" has different explanation...but overall...chinese DO CARE alot what others think of them, incluidng descendants. eg. in the old days..chinese(like scholars etc.) cares about so much of how they being described in the history book.
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Old 08-11-2015, 07:08 PM
 
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I believe it will be very difficult to understand chinese by just generalizing "the chinese", chinese are basically everywhere in the world...living in different regions, educated by different cultures...generalizing chinese is not a smart move, by judging chinese from HKer or TWers's point of view is even worse, coz they are only reprensting part of it.
1. We generalize all the time. The Chinese generalize all western foreigners, for instance, as simply laowai, as if there is no cultural difference between a Frenchman and an German.

2. My post about the great sage, Confuse Us, was obviously a joke.

3. The question posed by the OP is how to understand the Chinese. Of course we generalize. The Chinese is essentially a generalization. I would argue that even today, after decades of CCP rule in China and hundreds of years of Chinese diaspora, in order to understand the Chinese, one needs to have some grasp of the ideas and influence of the great sage, Confuse Us.

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Chinese civilaztion is the ONLY and the LONGEST still living civilization
Not sure what relevance this has, and anyway, there is strong evidence to support an assertion that the longest continuing civilization is the Indus Valley Civilization.
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Old 08-13-2015, 11:28 PM
 
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Not sure what relevance this has, and anyway, there is strong evidence to support an assertion that the longest continuing civilization is the Indus Valley Civilization.
Besides, many Chinese think Chinese civilization was ended by Mongol Empire.
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Old 08-14-2015, 12:30 AM
 
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Besides, many Chinese think Chinese civilization was ended by Mongol Empire.
Really? I've never met an Chinese person who believes that.

That belief could make it somewhat difficult for the Chinese to argue that Tibet has "always" been part of China!
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Old 08-14-2015, 01:30 AM
 
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Really? I've never met an Chinese person who believes that.
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That belief could make it somewhat difficult for the Chinese to argue that Tibet has "always" been part of China!
If I remember correctly, it was Qing which started to govern Tibet. If this is the case, what Yuan did has nothing to do with the argument.

Besides, we were talking about Chinese civilization, not territory or government, weren't we?
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Old 08-14-2015, 02:19 AM
 
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If I remember correctly, it was Qing which started to govern Tibet. If this is the case, what Yuan did has nothing to do with the argument.
Yes, the Qing imposed humiliating treaty on the Tibetans... similar to the ones the Brits imposed on the Chinese and which the Chinese are still whining about. However, another leg of the Chinese argument that Tibet has always been a part of China is the assertion that Tibet was a part of "China" suring the Yuan dynasty.

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Besides, we were talking about Chinese civilization, not territory or government, weren't we?
Yes. Imperial Chinese histories contain plenty of sneering references to the non-Han and these historians went to great lengths to distinguish between their civilized Han selves and the barbarians beyond. I think the distinction was as much based on the level of "Chinese culture" a people possessed as their ethnicity, though. As for the Tibetans, your standard Chinese histories mark them out clearly as separate people. There are oracle bones referring to a people to the west, the Qiang. Official histories of China's 50 cheerful minorities agree that these are the Tibetans
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