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Old 08-03-2015, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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I know that Russia is discussed in the european forum but hear me out.

Vladivostok is going to become a free port and have a gambling zone and is supposed to be the Macau of northern asia. Putin signs law establishing Vladivostok as a free port So do you think these plans will be successful, or is vladivostok to small and unknown to attract the amount of asian tourist that they are planning on. Also what do Asians currently think of the city. Do they even know the city exists? It seems that is has a huge potential since it looks very european but right in the center of northern asia, just a short flight from the likes of Tokyo, Seoul, and Beijing. Also they are planning to build high speed rail between harbin and vladivostok. China offers to build Hunchun-Vladivostok high-speed railway | Russia Beyond The Headlines Also do you think that over time Vladivostok will grow an asian vibe or do you think it will always be a european/russian city.
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Old 08-03-2015, 06:59 PM
 
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I know that Russia is discussed in the european forum but hear me out.

Vladivostok is going to become a free port and have a gambling zone and is supposed to be the Macau of northern asia. Putin signs law establishing Vladivostok as a free port So do you think these plans will be successful, or is vladivostok to small and unknown to attract the amount of asian tourist that they are planning on. Also what do Asians currently think of the city. Do they even know the city exists? It seems that is has a huge potential since it looks very european but right in the center of northern asia, just a short flight from the likes of Tokyo, Seoul, and Beijing. Also they are planning to build high speed rail between harbin and vladivostok. China offers to build Hunchun-Vladivostok high-speed railway | Russia Beyond The Headlines Also do you think that over time Vladivostok will grow an asian vibe or do you think it will always be a european/russian city.
Yup, all those Chinese massage parlors and their "happy ending" specials will be flooding the Russian city pretty soon.
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:28 PM
 
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For anyone who is interested here is an update on the casinos.
Macau casino scion Lawrence Ho bets big on venture in Vladivostok | South China Morning Post
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:58 PM
 
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This city will be Chinese pretty soon anyway, and it belongs to China anyway historically.
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Old 11-30-2015, 04:54 PM
 
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I know that Russia is discussed in the european forum but hear me out.

Vladivostok is going to become a free port and have a gambling zone and is supposed to be the Macau of northern asia. Putin signs law establishing Vladivostok as a free port So do you think these plans will be successful, or is vladivostok to small and unknown to attract the amount of asian tourist that they are planning on. Also what do Asians currently think of the city. Do they even know the city exists? It seems that is has a huge potential since it looks very european but right in the center of northern asia, just a short flight from the likes of Tokyo, Seoul, and Beijing. Also they are planning to build high speed rail between harbin and vladivostok. China offers to build Hunchun-Vladivostok high-speed railway | Russia Beyond The Headlines Also do you think that over time Vladivostok will grow an asian vibe or do you think it will always be a european/russian city.
Vladivostok is a disastrous city (in terms of pollution) and quite honestly has no future ahead of it. Russia will neglect it just like how they neglect any city/region outside of St. Petersburg and Moscow. Vladivostok is in an even worse position though since the Russian Far East has always been treated as a colony and not as a real part of Russia. Even when the region was called Outer Manchuria and was a part of the Qing Dynasty, it was neglected. The truth is no one wants to settle in this awful region which is why it has always been sparsely populated. Manchuria itself is a rust belt dump and could hardly provide the capital or population to reinvigorate Vladivostok.
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Old 11-30-2015, 05:17 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Vladivostok is a disastrous city (in terms of pollution) and quite honestly has no future ahead of it. Russia will neglect it just like how they neglect any city/region outside of St. Petersburg and Moscow. Vladivostok is in an even worse position though since the Russian Far East has always been treated as a colony and not as a real part of Russia. Even when the region was called Outer Manchuria and was a part of the Qing Dynasty, it was neglected. The truth is no one wants to settle in this awful region which is why it has always been sparsely populated. Manchuria itself is a rust belt dump and could hardly provide the capital or population to reinvigorate Vladivostok.
hmm.....

My first question is: have they done anything to control the seasonal flooding of the city? It used to flood severely in the spring/summer.

I'd be interested to see how this experiment turns out. It seems that Putin is into promoting the city, so that if there's investment going into it, and it makes money for Russia, maybe it won't be treated as a backwater. Remember, he hosted the meeting of some kind of Asian economic forum or something, there a few years ago. And Russia's side of the Manchurian region has been building up to export more energy to China. So there's a chance that it could finally come into its own.

However, he/they should be aware of the potential pitfalls. Economic boomtowns (if it ever gets there) bring their own sets of problems. They'll need police training, a more professional police force, some legislation to address some of the "services" the foreigners will be expecting, and crime that naturally follows money. And what about environmental effects of boom development? The rangers in the parks and wilderness areas have been understaffed for years, not able to deal with the tiger poaching and other smuggling going on along the Chinese border. The Bikin River area in the mountains above Vlad is a natural wonder, and part of it now is in the UN World Heritage Site system. Will areas like that be protected?

Economic development is good, but it needs to be managed rationally. Are the Russians ready for that?
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Old 11-30-2015, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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This city will be Chinese pretty soon anyway, and it belongs to China anyway historically.
It belongs to the Manchu people.
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Old 11-30-2015, 08:05 PM
 
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hmm.....

My first question is: have they done anything to control the seasonal flooding of the city? It used to flood severely in the spring/summer.
The city of Vladivostok doesn't experience flooding it's a very hilly city on the edge of a peninsula. You are thinking of more inland cities such as Khabarovsk and Ussuriysk.
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Old 11-30-2015, 08:19 PM
 
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Also a bit furthur south in the ice free port city of Zarubino will have a huge expansion
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Zarubino
Chinese-Russian joint venture working on expansion of Bolshoy Zarubino Port | Maritime News

Also I think Russia is focusing a lot on the Russian Far East because of the fall out with Europe and USA. For instance they are building a new cosmodrome in the region with an entire new city to house their top scientists
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostochny_Cosmodrome
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Old 11-30-2015, 08:27 PM
 
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And here is a bit more information about the upcoming economic boom in the region
FEATURE: An economic boom in Russia’s Far East? | BLOUIN BEAT: Business
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