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Old 08-15-2015, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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How many people were killed by the way?
According to Wikipedia re: the Nanking massacre:

50,000–300,000 dead (primary sources)
40,000–300,000 dead (scholarly consensus)
300,000 dead (Chinese government, scholarly consensus in China)

As far as the estimates for how many Chinese people were killed by the Japanese in the totality of the war, from direct military action it's 7-8 million, with another 5-10 million from starvation or disease... so basically, 12-18 million civilians dead. Their military lost 3 to 3.75 million personnel.

Comparatively, Japan lost between 550-670k civilians from direct military action, most of them from US bombing raids towards the end of the war. There were food shortages towards the end of the war and almost certainly some people starved, but the numbers were fairly low. Their military lost 2.1 to 2.5 million personnel.

So, Japan lost roughly 4x more military than civilian, while the Chinese lost 4 to 6 times as many civilians as military.
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Old 08-15-2015, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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And to the OP of why we don't remember Korea. After Okinawa the Allies were gearing up to kill everything in Japan. It was only the shock and awe of the two nukes which stopped it from happening.
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Old 08-15-2015, 12:58 PM
 
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And to the OP of why we don't remember Korea. After Okinawa the Allies were gearing up to kill everything in Japan. It was only the shock and awe of the two nukes which stopped it from happening.
This makes absolutely no sense considering the Korean War didn't start until 1950. BTW, reading all these replies that dismiss American war crimes in Korea tells me that America isn't all that different from Japan in forgetting its crimes.
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Old 08-15-2015, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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This makes absolutely no sense considering the Korean War didn't start until 1950. BTW, reading all these replies that dismiss American war crimes in Korea tells me that America isn't all that different from Japan in forgetting its crimes.
Right five short years later Everybody involved in the Korean War except Korean children were also involved in WWII or at least of an age to make political conversation and all knew what we were going to do to Japan if the nukes did not compel a surrender. No matter how many 500 lb bombs B-29s dropped on North Korea as long as no nukes were used it pales compared to what we were preparing to do to Japan. And that is the end story if the middle of the 20th Century. The Korean War was a sideshow to the bigger story.
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Old 08-16-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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Right five short years later Everybody involved in the Korean War except Korean children were also involved in WWII or at least of an age to make political conversation and all knew what we were going to do to Japan if the nukes did not compel a surrender. No matter how many 500 lb bombs B-29s dropped on North Korea as long as no nukes were used it pales compared to what we were preparing to do to Japan. And that is the end story if the middle of the 20th Century. The Korean War was a sideshow to the bigger story.
North Korea suffered far more devastation than Japan suffered throughout the entirety of WWII. More bombs were dropped in North Korea than were dropped on all of Japan during the bombing campaigns of WWII. The devastation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki paled in comparison to the devastation suffered by a city in North Korea. For example close to 90% of Pyongyang was destroyed while Hiroshima and Nagasaki were around 65-75% destroyed.

Korean War may have been a "sideshow" and a so called "forgotten war" yet the mainstream media in the US is obsessed with the country and give far more attention to this country than to any other country in the world. The media seems to cover minor things in North Korea such as the vacation habits of the leaders of North Korea. Does the media ever give even good coverage to conflicts/insurgencies in West Africa? You are more likely to find a media story of Kim Jong-Un's eating habits than the insurgencies in West Africa? For a "forgotten war" it sure doesn't seem forgotten when it comes to the obsessive media coverage.
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Old 08-16-2015, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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The devastation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki paled in comparison to the devastation suffered by a city in North Korea. For example close to 90% of Pyongyang was destroyed while Hiroshima and Nagasaki were around 65-75% destroyed.
Saying that the suffering experienced by a city that experienced 65-75% destruction "pales in comparison" to that of a city that suffered 90% destruction is sort of like saying that the suffering of someone who got hit by a car and paralyzed waist-down pales in comparison to someone who got hit by a truck and paralyzed from the neck down, don't you think?

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Korean War may have been a "sideshow" and a so called "forgotten war" yet the mainstream media in the US is obsessed with the country and give far more attention to this country than to any other country in the world. The media seems to cover minor things in North Korea such as the vacation habits of the leaders of North Korea. Does the media ever give even good coverage to conflicts/insurgencies in West Africa? You are more likely to find a media story of Kim Jong-Un's eating habits than the insurgencies in West Africa?
I think I hear more about ISIS/ISIL, and "the terrorists."

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For a "forgotten war" it sure doesn't seem forgotten when it comes to the obsessive media coverage.
They talk about the current state of NK and its leader, not the Korean War and Kim Il Sung. NK, however, is still largely hung-up on the Korean War and acts as though it's still raging.
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