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Old 08-21-2015, 09:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Salmonburgher View Post
Haha! Hey, when the US starts WWIII, like Japan started WWII, then you can crow about how many people the US has killed.

Until then, best not to make yourself look silly!
So you don't dare to answer how many people has the US killed abroad after WWII. This is what I understand from your post. Thanks.

 
Old 08-21-2015, 09:31 PM
 
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Again, you're confusing things. What the other countries did was not classified as crime against humanity. And we are talking about Japan, not China or Korea. As I said, each of those countries would have their own blame, if they had to apologize for anything.
Japan has apologized many times. Face it.

And if it's a crime, does Japan have to be forced to apologize in the first place?

If I did something wrong, got arrested and sentenced, do I have to be forced to apologize? Whether I apologize or not, it's my own decision. No one has a right to force me to do so.

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So don't bring their actions in, don't bring Vietnam in... just focus on Japan and what Japan did before and during the war, exactly as we focus on Germany and its action during this time frame.
Has Germany apologized for its invasion for example?

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Germany has apologized to the Jews for the Holocaust. Fine, let Japan apologize to Chinese and Koreans then for the various things they are accused of, instead of spending time to say that this never happened or that people were "voluntary".
Tell me what Japan did to Koreans.

You obviously know nothing about so-called comfort women. The whole story was made up by Asahi Shimbun and the company has admitted it already. Besides, the US has investigated it for a decade or so and found nothing.

In 2014, Shinzo Abe rejected the idea of Japan emulating Germany’s actions

Because there was no Holocaust. Japan can not do the same thing as Germany has done.

You have not read what Abe says this time, haven't you?

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I mean, if those denials did not exist, I am pretty certain the situation would be less explosive in this region. The Japanese citizens should demand such behaviour and clarification from their political leaders.
Every poll shows Japan is one of the most popular countries on this planet.

Only China and Korea can't deal with Japan, so it's obvious that the two countries have their problems.
 
Old 08-21-2015, 09:38 PM
 
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In the 1930s, the Far East had only 3 independent countries: Republic of China, Empire of Japan, and Kingdom of Thailand. Other places were all colonies of western powers, or of China/Japan. Most of them did not have any real national identity, so of course their attitudes are different from China and Korea.
Korea was not a country. According to your logic, China and Korea should be different.

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Taiwan is a mess now. Those who arrived in Taiwan in 1949 hate Japanese, but others have a divided attitude.
Yes. And that explains why Salmonburgher is against Japan, because his wife is Waishengren.

One of my friends in Taiwan even tells me he can distinguish Waishengren from others based on their looks
 
Old 08-21-2015, 10:49 PM
 
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So you don't dare to answer how many people has the US killed abroad after WWII. This is what I understand from your post. Thanks.
I don't dare? Haha!

No. I don't care.

The US did not start WWII. Japan did. Neither did the US start WWIII.
 
Old 08-21-2015, 10:51 PM
 
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Yes. And that explains why Salmonburgher is against Japan, because his wife is Waishengren.
I'm not against Japan. I love Japan. I go there as often as possible. My wife loves Japan, too.

You don't know what I like or don't like. Stop making assumptions.
 
Old 08-22-2015, 04:46 AM
 
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Korea was not a country. According to your logic, China and Korea should be different.



Yes. And that explains why Salmonburgher is against Japan, because his wife is Waishengren.

One of my friends in Taiwan even tells me he can distinguish Waishengren from others based on their looks
Wait, what do you mean Korea was not a country? It was a country, which even rules land in Japan at some point in History, and transmitted enough culturally as well. It seems that until 1871 it was a country so why wouldn't those rules apply?

Again, I have no particular problem with Japan, but stances such as yours simply make it worse. Completely denying History as it was and trying to spin the story to put some weird logic.

So in your mind, when you have been invaded, it's no more a country? Bravo, what a logic! Fine, but this is the same story as for European colonies and slavery then. Do you have European countries who dare say what they did was fine?

See that's the problem. We talk about Japan, you bring China and Korea in. We talk about Japan's actions in its History, and you steer back to WWII only. Germany's Holocaust did not occur only in the war, it also happened before, and that's what the country is apologizing for. As I said, Japan should apologize for the way they have treated Koreans or Chinese during the occupation including before the war as they were not right. I mean, human experimentations? Comfort women? Torture and massacres? Forced labour in factories and with people getting mutilated cause they did not even receive once proper training? Do you realize how crazy those acts are? Stop creating noises about the core subject. Just admit, and do your best to earn back trust. What's so hard about that?!?

Obviously you also do not agree that those events occurs. There are only 2 possibilities:
1/ Japan's History books really do not mention any of this extensively to make its citizens understand something was clearly wrong. In this case, we go back to the denials with the political leaders being at fault.

2/ Or the citizens learned it in the books, but still, they do not want to admit it. Which means that this time, it's not just political leaders and it's the whole country which is not doing it right.

Which is it? I would be surprised though that Japanese do not realize that what happened was terrible, and should never occur again. After all, they seem to be very nice people.

Btw your note was very xenophobic, and a coup bas. Why go after Salmonburger's wife? Seriously.

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Old 08-22-2015, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Manhattan, NYC
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Check where the word Kamikaze came from.
What about it? Mongols invading Japan? Please share your mind. Are you telling us that Mongols did some human experimentations on Japanese and therefore, you paid them back? I will skip the part where you paid the Chinese "back" while they are not technically Mongols but fine.

I am simply trying to follow your logic here.
 
Old 08-22-2015, 09:07 PM
 
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I don't dare? Haha!

No. I don't care.

The US did not start WWII. Japan did. Neither did the US start WWIII.
To be honest, I don't care whether you don't dare or don't know. But, I wonder how you criticize the government if you don't know the fact

And I THINK no other country can compete with the US in terms of number of killing abroad after WWII.

Oh, I read yesterday a news which says the US just killed someone who belonged to ISIS. What a great country.
 
Old 08-22-2015, 09:31 PM
 
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Wait, what do you mean Korea was not a country? It was a country, which even rules land in Japan at some point in History, and transmitted enough culturally as well. It seems that until 1871 it was a country so why wouldn't those rules apply?

Again, I have no particular problem with Japan, but stances such as yours simply make it worse. Completely denying History as it was and trying to spin the story to put some weird logic.

So in your mind, when you have been invaded, it's no more a country? Bravo, what a logic! Fine, but this is the same story as for European colonies and slavery then. Do you have European countries who dare say what they did was fine?
Read what (s)he has written again. It's not my logic.

BTW, would you tell me how European countries apologized to their colonies? I have no idea about that.

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Obviously you also do not agree that those events occurs. There are only 2 possibilities:
Correct answer is 3.

While textbooks, newspapers, books, TV programs and so on tell us those you mentioned, still, some of those were proved/admitted they were fake. And Japanese people and government have apologized many times for what their ancestors did before.

I wonder what is the point if Japan will be forced to apologize forever? And more importantly, there are only China and Korea which require Japan to apologize. Japan did terrible things in other countries as well.

BTW, do you know how a sister of South Korean President talk about Japan? Check it.
 
Old 08-22-2015, 09:48 PM
 
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What about it? Mongols invading Japan? Please share your mind. Are you telling us that Mongols did some human experimentations on Japanese and therefore, you paid them back? I will skip the part where you paid the Chinese "back" while they are not technically Mongols but fine.

I am simply trying to follow your logic here.
OK, Korea has no right to accuse Japan according to your logic.

Next, how much should Japan pay back to China based on your logic? Tell me the exact amount.


BTW, you should ask Chinese if Yuan is one of the legitimate dynasties in Chinese history.

I think that's a nice try though, because:

The ruler of Yuan was Mongols = Now China is free from responsibilities for what Yuan did

The ruler of Qing was Manchurians = Now China is free from responsibilities for what Qing did = Tibet and Xinjiang are free
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