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Old 08-17-2015, 03:28 AM
 
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I'm personally fed up with the "culture of apology". It's becoming ludicrous.

 
Old 08-17-2015, 04:56 AM
 
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It's like saying that the aggression in WW2 was Austrian and not German, because Hitler was Austrian... but, the advances in rocketry and aerospace that the Nazis made was German.
Well said.

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Americans and the English are happy to wax ecstatic about their victories in WW2, but not quite as excited to talk about their genocides against the Native Americans (both), their actions in Vietnam (US), their history of oppressive colonialism (UK), and there are a myriad of a apologist explanations that attempt to rewrite or reframe these events in a much more sympathetic light - which usually brings criticism from other nations.
I can't agree more.

What China and Korea do to Japan is like a double-edged sword. It can hurt themselves.

"Before criticizing others, Korea should shape up yourself" quoted from: When will Korea solve the issue of sex crime in Vietnam?
 
Old 08-17-2015, 05:09 AM
 
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What makes Japanese so certain that their own children will not repeat the same absurd errors, if no one ever teaches them? That's what's more disturbing for me.
While I am not sure about Japanese children, however, I am quite sure children in the United States of America will kill people abroad just like their parents have been doing
 
Old 08-17-2015, 05:29 AM
 
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Another apology would have amounted to nothing. Despite Japan's numerous wrongdoings before and during WWII, no amount of apology will ever be good enough for the PRC. Absolute capitulation would not be good enough for the PRC; Abe could pull down his pants and bend over before Xi, and that still wouldn't be good enough. Any nation that is recalcitrant in its own wrongdoings and holds itself sinless is not worth apologizing to. The PRC's foreign policy and attitude towards its neighbors can be summed up as cold and calculating, and Abe gave a fairly calculating and lukewarm "apology"; so cry me a F-ing river.
ROFLOL!!! I love the kool-aid that you're drinking!

Though I do agree that China is stupid to be constantly harping about apologies. It needs to double down and build itself a world class nuke deterrence force and a first rate navy and air force to make sure that japan stays honest or send it back to the stone age. That's more worthwhile than wasted energy crying for some apologiy that means, well, absolutely nothing.
 
Old 08-17-2015, 05:48 AM
 
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Americans ... are happy to wax ecstatic about their victories in WW2, but not quite as excited to talk about their genocides against the Native Americans (both), their actions in Vietnam (US)
I'd say that's incorrect.

The US has an entire industry devoted self-criticism, from Hollywood to popular and historic narrative/literature to academia.

How many classes are being taught in China that are critical of anything China has done to Vietnam or of anything Mao and or the CCP has done?

How many movies are made in China about Chinese oppression of Tibet and Xinjiang, and of 900 years of Chinese oppression of Vietnam?

Same goes for Japan. Japanese textbooks do not discuss Japanese atrocities committed in WWII.


We're not all the same in the way we critique our own histories. The US is far more self-critical than are either China or Japan.

Heck, on June 4, 1989, according to the CCP, nothing happened!
 
Old 08-17-2015, 05:57 AM
 
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Here anew, I would like to pray for those who lost their lives in the disaster and offer my deep condolences to their bereaved families.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-VR66xxsQ
 
Old 08-17-2015, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Here anew, I would like to pray for those who lost their lives in the disaster and offer my deep condolences to their bereaved families.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-VR66xxsQ

That is such a terrible explosion. So much damage and loss of life, feel sorry for the people in Tianjin China.
 
Old 08-17-2015, 07:18 AM
 
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I'd say that's incorrect.

The US has an entire industry devoted self-criticism, from Hollywood to popular and historic narrative/literature to academia.

How many classes are being taught in China that are critical of anything China has done to Vietnam or of anything Mao and or the CCP has done?

How many movies are made in China about Chinese oppression of Tibet and Xinjiang, and of 900 years of Chinese oppression of Vietnam?

Same goes for Japan. Japanese textbooks do not discuss Japanese atrocities committed in WWII.


We're not all the same in the way we critique our own histories. The US is far more self-critical than are either China or Japan.

Heck, on June 4, 1989, according to the CCP, nothing happened!
Actually, according to the CCP, on and around June 4th there was a "counter revolutionary disturbance" that was resolutely put down....It was not "nothing happened."
 
Old 08-17-2015, 09:05 AM
 
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It needs to double down and build itself a world class nuke deterrence force and a first rate navy and air force to make sure that japan stays honest or send it back to the stone age. That's more worthwhile than wasted energy crying for some apologiy that means, well, absolutely nothing.
Sounds exactly like what the right-wing nationalists in the US advocate for the Middle East.
 
Old 08-17-2015, 09:09 AM
 
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Actually, according to the CCP, on and around June 4th there was a "counter revolutionary disturbance" that was resolutely put down....It was not "nothing happened."
Exactly. The CCP did NOTHING wrong. And there is no "counter" to that story.

See what I mean?
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