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Old 12-30-2015, 06:15 AM
 
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I just came back from Ipoh, in the state of Perak in Malaysia; a good deal of Victorian style buildings from British colonial rule; the city's City Hall, main railway station, were all in Victorian style.
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Old 01-03-2016, 10:57 PM
 
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Parts of Macau still feel extremely European, specifically Mediterranean, with old buildings, post boxes, etc. When I was walking through Central Macau, with the squares and colonial era housing and motorbikes, it felt like i cluld have been in any town in Spain, Italy, Portugal, or any of their Latin American colonies. Very cool. Down by the casinos in Taipa, it felt and looked largely like Vegas, which a lot of people probably find repuslive and whine about, but I thought was interesting set against the rest of the territory. The Northern area, closer to the border, looks and feels like TST, MK, etc in Hong Kong, and also like some urban areas of mainland China that we built in the midcentury to 70's or 80's... very utilitarian and dense.

Guangzhou still has a few districts with many Colonial-era buildings, which are very cool. Some areas feel a lot like london or NYC, others more Mediterranean. It's fascinating to think that these buildings have seen colonialism's rise and fall, the Japanese invasion and occupation, the fall of the Emperor, the rose and fall of the KMT, the tumultuous 20th century, and now Guangzhou's modernization.
Various people might not even know there is any or much original European architecture anywhere around Asia. Unknown territory not familiar to them before visiting or not acquiring those resources of information.

Are you observing similarities between Goa Indian Portuguese buildings compared to Macau China Portuguese? Goa ones are much more massive, and extravagant yet the Macau ones are equally impressive with all of the intricate magnificent specific details carved into the buildings.

How ubiquitous are these Portuguese imported buildings at Macau? Are they all over or just highly centralized some main street areas?

I used to have a superficial view of Macau because of gambling. Then I learned Macau is really special to have all of those stunning Portuguese hijacked buildings, even more high income than Singapore or Hong Kong, and truly a deep hidden gem.


All of these are Mythological Iconic:

1. http://www.wowasis.com/travelblog/wp...2b-300x225.jpg
2. http://soultripping.com/wp-content/u.../P10008442.jpg
3. https://postcardintellect.smugmug.co...7301587o-M.jpg
4. http://www.indianholiday.com/blog/wp...nic-church.jpg
5. https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2298/5...6c63cb01_b.jpg
6. http://tommyooi.com/wp-content/uploa...do-Square1.jpg
7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau#...-08,_DD_05.jpg
8. http://media.lonelyplanet.com/lpi/19...02/681x454.jpg
9. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...au_montage.png
10. http://www.weltrekordreise.ch/bilder%20mo/29-0525.jpg
11. http://us.123rf.com/450wm/idealphoto...me-p.jpg?ver=6
12. http://www.tongyue.com/uploadfile/20...0050508851.jpg
13. http://m5.paperblog.com/i/48/489431/...-L-i80TgD.jpeg
14. https://photos.travelblog.org/Photos...in_Macau-0.jpg
15. https://erikabroad.files.wordpress.c...1/dsc01943.jpg
16. https://erikabroad.files.wordpress.c...1/dsc02064.jpg
17. http://www.discoverhongkong.com/au/i...4-Macau_03.jpg
18. http://www.visitourchina.com/FileUpl...2103048759.jpg
19. http://images.chinahighlights.com/at...ravel-tips.jpg


In Between Chinese and Portuguese Comprehensive Ultimate Blend:

http://travelnoire.com/wp-content/up...e-in-Macau.jpg

http://www.globaltravelmate.com/uplo...ouse_mercy.jpg

https://www.hostels247.com/album/084...788aae95ce.jpg

https://shimworld.files.wordpress.co...pg?w=620&h=413

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau#...nu-tower01.jpg
https://www.google.com/search?q=Port...64VMi_n78VM%3A


Let's just all remember we are in China!

http://www.castle.myuniversals.com/i...ightseeing.jpg

http://blog.jonathlee.com/wp-content..._jonathlee.jpg
http://www.sickchirpse.com/wp-conten...05/macau-1.jpg

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/159...mkvg0BKQ%3D%3D

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...76a86beb3f.jpg

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Old 01-07-2016, 04:51 PM
 
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Harbin China Russian Buildings are quite a story to explain. Anyone let me know all of the deep historical implications to allow all of these Russian buildings entering mainland China East Asia, especially around Heilongjiang Province. I bet there are historical books, and novels on these ultra comprehensive intricate Chinese-Russian relations.

Who visited Harbin China Heilongjiang lately or at all with their life time? I wonder how widespread these Russian buildings are or if they are just occasional to semi-rare. Harbin is very unknown to foreigners, and deserves infinitely more Global attention.


Wow! All of these pictures are absolutely unreal!

http://www.gehringtravel.com/wp-cont...2/Harbin-6.jpg

http://www.harbinice.com/public/rich...20%2811%29.jpg

Woah, a Russian Castle at Harbin China: http://www.icefestivalharbin.com/pub...0926102907.jpg

http://www.icefestivalharbin.com/pub...0926102901.jpg

http://pic1.dbw.cn/0/00/10/33/103330_992325.jpg

http://cdn2.gbtimes.com/cdn/farfutur...?itok=gNoaZDtF

http://travelswithsheila.com/wp-cont...at-this-is.jpg

https://chinarchitect.files.wordpres...rbin_china.jpg

They made these buildings out of ice somehow:
https://www.robertharding.com/blog/w...01/29-4863.jpg
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/latest-ne...cj3.So.91.jpeg
http://cdn2.gbtimes.com/cdn/farfutur...?itok=RWCP6xe1
http://icons.wunderground.com/data/w...sterish/19.jpg

Buildings Not Made Out Of Ice:
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B2FG5Y/buil...ist-B2FG5Y.jpg

http://en.chinatefl.com/FCKFiles/201212251344594118.jpg

http://chinabuildingrestoration.com/...8/DSC_0040.jpg

Even going as far to Beijing with these Russian buildings: http://images.chinahighlights.com/al...cp_758x426.jpg

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Old 01-08-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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How ubiquitous are these Portuguese imported buildings at Macau? Are they all over or just highly centralized some main street areas?
The Portuguese influence is all over the historical center (i.e. the peninsula) as the apartment buildings and narrow streets are pretty distinctive, and the good-looking colonial era buildings you linked are scattered over the center. Leal Senado (Senate Square) is tourist central and makes for the best pictures with its wavy mosaic pavement but I found it cool to just randomly walk the streets and stumble upon old churches, theatres, etc. On this map of the peninsula:

http://www.planetware.com/i/map/HK/macau-ao-men-map.jpg

the historical center covers much of the part with the darker background. The southeastern neighborhood with streets set on a grid is the part with the casinos (there are many other casinos on Taipa to the south, not shown on the map). I did not go to the northern neighborhoods (close to the PRC border) but they looked more typically Chinese to me from the city's vantage point (Fortaleza do Monte), or at least very similar to Hong Kong.
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Old 01-08-2016, 07:51 PM
 
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Jakarta don't retain much of the original Dutch building, the city's rapid growth became its own curse. The "Kota" or Benedenstad area have been turned into modern mess, the former "Stadcentrum" in Harmoni are also mostly lost. It is now charmless.. and the only district with intact blocks is Kota Tua. There are some others scattered around in Menteng, Merdeka Square or Pasar Baru. However since its the capital it is home to few absolutely elegant 20th century Dutch architecture, you can rarely found in Netherlands itself:

Note: These are my own photos (kevo123) is my account

Nederlandsch Handel Maatschappij (Dutch Trading Society) by Kevo 123, on Flickr
Hoofdbureau Van Politie Batavia by Kevo 123, on Flickr
Koninklijke Paketvaart-Maatschappij by Kevo 123, on Flickr

Beautiful Tanjung Priok station, with platform modeled after the Netherlands' modern style:
Tanjung Priok Station by Kevo 123, on Flickr
Tanjung Priok Station by Kevo 123, on Flickr

Its long history also make it home of some of the oldest:
Slice of Holland in old Batavia by Kevo 123, on Flickr

On the other hand cities like Bandung, Semarang, Malang, Surabaya, Padang, Medan etc are littered with Dutch colonial architecture:

Semarang:
http://assets.kompas.com/data/photo/...huk780x390.JPG
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8042/...a006a78e_b.jpg
http://cdn-2.tstatic.net/tribunnews/...a-semarang.jpg

Malang:
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/64315750.jpg
http://mediacenter.malangkota.go.id/...ta_590x300.gif

Cirebon:
http://il1.picdn.net/shutterstock/vi...46/thumb/1.jpg

Padang:
https://blueoctopus13.files.wordpres...sar-gadang.jpg

Surabaya, Medan and Bandung is for those who loved Art deco architecture, the Dutch particularly loved modernity because of its lower construction cost and simplicity:

Surabaya:
http://v2.garudamagazine.com/images/...y3_may2010.jpg
http://panduanwisata.id/files/2013/0...tan-Merah3.jpg
https://cindiltravel.files.wordpress...jawa-timur.jpg

Bandung:
https://statik.tempo.co/?id=388436&width=620
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/5...44ca9cc0e5.jpg
http://tourism.jazz.or.id/wp-content...avoy-Hotel.jpg

Medan:
http://cdn.sindonews.net/dyn/620/con...olitan-U4U.jpg
http://panduanwisata.id/files/2012/0...n-sumatra2.jpg
http://medan.m-heritage.org/results/...o-a/3a-019.jpg

Even famous Dutch architect like Berlage have designed buildings in Indonesia:
http://ayorek.org/en/2014/05/berlage...ding-surabaya/
http://www.culturalheritageconnectio...age_in_Batavia

The Dutch also creatively fused native architecture with western modernity, to create "Indies" identity:

This is former Technische Hogeschool in Bandung:
http://indonesia.travel/assets/img/m.../poi/2_ITB.jpg

Typical Dutch East Indies villa with Indonesian roof:
https://probohindarto.files.wordpres...ndajadul12.jpg

Unlike other colonial power it appear that Dutch people didn't make their buildings symbol of power and grandeur, thus seems less appealing aesthetically, if compared to French/British/Spanish ones. But what is worth mentioning is that they adopt to Tropical climate pretty early on, and were among the best tropical builders. The canals are still around too, if you look around the port cities in Java, though the ones in big cities tend to be polluted. If you fancy art deco, you won't regret visiting Indonesian colonial cities. I took this picture of art deco elevator door in Bank Mandiri Museum, ain't it lovely? (and yes the interior needs rehab ASAP)

Nederlandsch Handel Maatschappij by Kevo 123, on Flickr

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Old 01-08-2016, 08:27 PM
 
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There is quite a bit of Portuguese architecture in the former Portuguese Colonies: Goa, Daman, Diu and Dadra Navar Haveli in India. Goa is probably the premier example as it was the capital of the Estado da India from early on, along with the Patriarchate of the Indies, hence its name as Rome of the Orient. Macau definitely has quite a bit of Portuguese architecture as well. In Sri Lanka and Melaka, Malaysia, you'll find a mixture of Portuguese, Dutch and British architecture. In India, Mumbai, Kolkota, Shimla and Chennai probably have the largest amount of British colonial architecture. Pondicherry in India also has some French architecture, though Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi have more. The Philippines of course has a large amount of Spanish colonial architecture and parts of Indonesia such as Jakarta have some of Dutch colonial architecture though much of it has been dwarfed by the growth of the modern city.
You only the mix of Portuguese, Dutch and British architecture in Malacca. Sri Lanka too have those mixture, especially in Galle and Colombo. I wonder why haven't people mention Sri Lanka?
https://www.google.co.id/search?q=se...q=fort+colombo
https://www.google.co.id/search?q=se...m=isch&q=Galle

The best buildings of British Malaya used to be in Singapore, but they got demolished for Marina Bay CBD... nevertheless there are many interesting remnant of colonial architecture scattered downtown. The Civic district is quiet interesting. Apart from Malacca, the rest of Malaysia is pretty "British":
Beach Street by Kevo 123, on Flickr

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Oblivious people might not know there are recognizable areas of European Architecture zones in areas of East Southeast South Asia. Not only because of invasive colonialism. Variation of architecture is inherent out of multiple reasons, and worthy to pay attention, and acknowledge.


All of the European Architecture Hot Spots Of Asia Include:

The Bund of Shanghai China, French Concession of the same city

Macau China, Goa India: Portuguese Colonial Architecture

Harbin China: Russian Buildings With A Chinese Twist

Qingdao: German Buildings Somehow. How Was This Ever Valid?

Saigon Ho Chi Minh Vietnam: Noticeable French Buildings Occasionally
Rangoon is worth mentioning, and i'd put Hanoi/Dalat over HCMC for French colonial charm. HCMC have been demolishing way too much of its old buildings, according to several source 56% of them are lost to modernization.

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Old 01-09-2016, 02:27 PM
 
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Unlike other colonial power it appear that Dutch people didn't make their buildings symbol of power and grandeur, thus seems less appealing aesthetically, if compared to French/British/Spanish ones. But what is worth mentioning is that they adopt to Tropical climate pretty early on, and were among the best tropical builders. The canals are still around too, if you look around the port cities in Java, though the ones in big cities tend to be polluted. If you fancy art deco, you won't regret visiting Indonesian colonial cities. I took this picture of art deco elevator door in Bank Mandiri Museum, ain't it lovely? (and yes the interior needs rehab ASAP)

Nederlandsch Handel Maatschappij by Kevo 123, on Flickr
Those buildings aren't really authentically resembling Dutch. Honestly, Portuguese, French, and Russian colonial buildings of mainland Asia are more hypnotically alluring to the eye.

Totally varied, and another building style. Without any hesitation, I rather pay attention towards those Goa India, Macau China Portuguese colonial architecture, or those Russian ones of Harbin China. Dutch Indonesian is not nearly as desirable.

Having more pictures of Shanghai's The Bund, Hanoi Saigon Vietnamese French buildings, and Qingdao German architecture is an emerging theme for later on. Originally where are those buildings from at Shanghai around The Bund with the exact European nation?
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Old 01-09-2016, 04:04 PM
 
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Yes, China's North East area Siberia megacity of Harbin has a whole districts Russia architectures of both restored and preserved.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ug5BTLKfz4#t=1663
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Old 01-09-2016, 06:41 PM
 
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Those buildings aren't really authentically resembling Dutch. Honestly, Portuguese, French, and Russian colonial buildings of mainland Asia are more hypnotically alluring to the eye.

Totally varied, and another building style. Without any hesitation, I rather pay attention towards those Goa India, Macau China Portuguese colonial architecture, or those Russian ones of Harbin China. Dutch Indonesian is not nearly as desirable.

Having more pictures of Shanghai's The Bund, Hanoi Saigon Vietnamese French buildings, and Qingdao German architecture is an emerging theme for later on. Originally where are those buildings from at Shanghai around The Bund with the exact European nation?
The thing is these buildings are Dutch and authentically European, as they are designed by Dutch architect and built in stylish 20th century European architecture. And as the world gets into new era, the decor went even less ornate. Saying that they're undesirable is totally cruel/ignorant of history at most! (even if i understand that most people don't care). Explain to me how these are undesirable?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...04eaf208fb.jpg
http://www.klikhotel.com/blog/wp-con...u-1024x661.jpg
http://il3.picdn.net/shutterstock/vi...ize(height:160)
http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb...4-1C89CB2F.jpg
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/26519411.jpg
http://www.eastjava.com/tourism/sura...tpn-11-001.jpg
https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qim...t_to_webp=true
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6.../aP1010772.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...IJ-Jakarta.jpg
http://beeldbank.regionaalarchiefdor...552_405848.jpg

Like European buildings in China, Myanmar, India or Malaysia, the Indies style fused both western and eastern elements, of which they produce something that looked entirely out of place in the western world. But most importantly the Dutch architect's design to place European building in tropical climate, while at the same time there are efforts to create identity for Indonesian architecture. However occasionally you do see buildings that looked unmistakably European before the boom of Art Deco style:

Jakarta Cathedral by Kevo 123, on Flickr

Toko Merah by Kevo 123, on Flickr

Toko Merah, was a mansion by 17th century standard that caught the attention of many European traders back then.

We could also mention modern HK or Congo, where most of the colonial buildings are built in modern style (50s for Congo, and late modern for HK).

For an instance the Mandiri Bank building is built in style known as "Nieuw Zakelijkheld":
https://www.google.co.id/search?q=de...w=1366&bih=667

In the Netherlands, the buildings are mostly from 17th to 18th century. Is this what supposedly mean authentically "Dutch"? (this is also i mention "rare" in Netherlands) Unlike in Netherlands, the Indies population are not subject to hefty land taxes that require them to build up. So people tended to have more space, like gardens, which suited the tropical climate. The Indies is also wealthier than Curacao/Suriname, so they tend to follow up to the trend rather than maintaining old gabled housings.

Also unlike the English/French, the Dutch have no notion of "Civilizing" their subjects. The need to express grandeur and imperial legitimacy through architecture, was never a need in the Indies. Dutch people are also "cheap", they do not waste money for prestige and instead focus on practicality/function of buildings. Calvinist doctrine also influenced an imageless character in Dutch architecture. In tropical climate it only make sense to build in style that is more friendly to tropical weather. Unlike the French in Indochina, who simply built buildings that looked French with no regards to local culture/climate at all (and the French have experience in the tropic), Hanoi and Saigon are supposed to reflect the might of an empire and they also believe that their culture is superior, so public French buildings must looked grand, The Germans didn't have long colonial history, so their architecture is mainly imported from Germany, but even they brought something that looked from 20th century instead of traditional ones:
http://www.thatsqingdao.com/wp-conte...ll-Qingdao.jpg

And about the Bund, none! European buildings there are owned by various companies either from Japan, Europe or USA. (and Japan back then have adopted westernization, so they have European look). The French followed by Britain, US and Japanese control the economy. Speaking of the Japanese i find their colonial buildings quiet interesting too:

https://www.google.co.id/search?q=ar...onial+building
https://www.google.co.id/search?q=ar...onial+building

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Old 01-09-2016, 07:36 PM
 
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Guangzhou still has a few districts with many Colonial-era buildings, which are very cool. Some areas feel a lot like london or NYC, others more Mediterranean. It's fascinating to think that these buildings have seen colonialism's rise and fall, the Japanese invasion and occupation, the fall of the Emperor, the rose and fall of the KMT, the tumultuous 20th century, and now Guangzhou's modernization.
I like this place
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