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Old 10-07-2015, 08:58 AM
 
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In response to boticelli post # 9:

I wasn't talking about American kids in China. I was talking about my own personal experiences. Listen, I work in a place that had alot of Vietnamese immigrants who came here and could not speak a lick of English, and if they could speak English, it could be extremely difficult to understand what they were saying. However their kids learn English and speak it better than most Americans and without a trace of an Asian accent, that is pretty impressive. Now that is just a fact and I am not going to argue about it with you or anybody else. So don't try to make it like I am wrong and I don't know what I'm talking about. I know you like to argue because I read a few of your former posts and nearly everyone of your posts, you disagree or question otherposters. I'm not going down that road. This is my experience, so you can take it or leave it.
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Old 10-07-2015, 09:47 AM
 
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In response to boticelli post # 9:

I wasn't talking about American kids in China. I was talking about my own personal experiences. Listen, I work in a place that had alot of Vietnamese immigrants who came here and could not speak a lick of English, and if they could speak English, it could be extremely difficult to understand what they were saying. However their kids learn English and speak it better than most Americans and without a trace of an Asian accent, that is pretty impressive.
still don't know why it is impressive.

Kids learn languages from the environment, the school, friends, classmates, teachers, everyone on the street, TV, internet. They don't only learn it from parents. So the fact their parents speak broken English shouldn't be limiting factor for their own language learning.

And why is my disagreeing with certain posts a problem? Of course I mostly talk about that part. What's the point of always saying "I agree with this and that"? That will add nothing new.
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Old 10-07-2015, 10:38 AM
 
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The answer is NO for most people in Asia.

Chinese in Asia in general do not think they have undesirable physical traits, with the major exception of the single eyelids, which most Southern Chinese have naturally, but not Northern Chinese. Some Chinese are as white and tall as white people. Of course almost all Chinese have black hair only, white people have different hair colors. It is the culture, habits and manners, not physical traits which are the most different between Chinese and Westerners.
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Do asians over there idolize white people the same way american asians do?
I mean- some american asian men think white girls are the holy grail- either they want to be with one, or think they are unattainable.

I've even seen an article on Chinese views of mixing genes with whites so they can wash out undesirable physical traits.


I have such a limited view on this subject.
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Old 10-08-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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Do asians over there idolize white people
where did you get that?

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I mean- some american asian men think white girls are the holy grail- either they want to be with one, or think they are unattainable. Why are white girls so high on the totem pole?
you maybe correct but at the end of the day, what matters most is if they are compatible or complementary. so they may fantasize to have a white gf but marrying material is a different matter
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Old 10-08-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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Some random observations of mine-

they seem obsessed with western apparel, purses, etc.
iphones

ferraris, buicks, audis.

double eyelid < I know this one's an old one, but i guess more common in korea.

they're easily impressed by white people, for instance, if a white person can speak chinese, they're awestruck.
But it's funny you never see the opposite. If a chinese person could speak pretty good english, white people would not be awestruck.


Do asians over there idolize white people the same way american asians do?
I mean- some american asian men think white girls are the holy grail- either they want to be with one, or think they are unattainable. Why are white girls so high on the totem pole?

I've even seen an article on Chinese views of mixing genes with whites so they can wash out undesirable physical traits.


I have such a limited view on this subject.
I've experienced some of these things while living in Japan and the Philippines, so this goes on outside of China as well I'm sure.

From my experiences, the reason is the only time a lot of them see "white" people is in the movies. So when they actually get to see a "white" person in person, they associate it with like a movie star or something to that degree, since the only other time they seen one is in a movie. That used to happen to me quite frequently while I was way out in the outback of the Philippines, and when I say outback I'm not trying to make an Australian reference, but more less, out where there is no electricity or very very limited access to such.

Now in regards to the language, I've experienced that too in the Philippines as well. Even in America if I speak a dialect of a language found in the Philippines, they trip out. Why? Perhaps again they've never experienced such a thing. In America we are so used to everyone speaking English so it's no big deal to us when Chinese, Japanese, Korean, what have you are speaking English. But when I'm traveling to such places and one of the locals starts speaking English to me, that does catch my attention.

In regards to attractiveness to the women, most Japanese men I know go totally bonkers for blond white chicks. Matter of fact, I had an America friend of mine loan me out a video from his prized porn collection featuring a very famous blond star, (Tracy Lords) and I was going to just give it to my Japanese friend for him to watch and then give back to me some other time. Well I never saw that VHS back from him again, ever again.

Interesting thing is there was this Chinese guy on local news ranting how the white man has this stupid fixation on Chinese chicks. He fails to realize that the same goes for the Asian men. Not all, but a very large number of Asian men crave the thoughts of being with a white chick.

Lastly on perspective of a country. A few years ago I was talking with some Japanese students in California about their newly recent experiences and expectations of being in America. We were having this conversation in Japanese. They were saying that what surprised them the most about America and what the big disappointment was for them, was when they got here they didn't see any cowboys and Indians. I laughed and further asked why would they expect to see these things in America. And they explained that a lot of the films and tv shows that they've seen in Japan was about the old Cowboy and Indian Westerns plus such shows as like the Walton's and Little House On The Prairie, The Big Valley, Gun Smoke. Interesting side note is you will find most Japanese, Chinese, etc. know so many American movie stars by name and movies they've acted in. However, most American's do not know even one famous actor/actress in these other countries. You can add that to your list of differences.

So after they explained this to me, I was taken back to the first time I set foot in Japan. I was right out of high school and found myself smack dap in the middle of Japan one rainy September afternoon. And I recalled quite vividly how I was so surprised not to see ninja's running around, just like I saw in movies I had seen at various times during my youth. At that point I understood why these Japanese thought they'd see Cowboys and Indians running all over the place. But the best part about my experience was, the things I didn't expect to see in Japan turned out to be the best part of being in that country. Do they feel the same about being in America?
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Old 05-11-2016, 03:54 PM
 
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Asians in (east) Asia do not really want to look white.
Their celebrities do not look "more white" than others, unless you consider being tall etc. a white trait.
Traditionally, people all over the world prefer women with light skin, but that's since 5000 years ago at least.
That might not be totally true especially when it comes to more southerly Asia including the southeast Asian part of China (site of many revolutions and rebellions and of Chou En lai of Bandung fame).

See St. Pierre's Studies of nature p. 177.

Its interesting though the difference between the current generation of musta'aferengi, mezo-farangi and the founding Bandung generation.

Now NASSER of that generation was influenced by Lenin especially his ideas on the rights of nationalities (ethnic groups in today's terminology) but being his pops was a Musta'arbi Fallah of Qibti stock and due to spending time learning the culture and customs of the Sae'id (Thebaid), the syncretic Pharaonic, Islamic, Coptic as well as Karaite Jewish (a group that was allowed to hold ceremonies in a mosque provided it was done in Hebrew) he could not join the Communist bloc and commit cultural genocide to create an imagined Stalinist utopia.

Also due to being the son of a Fallah of Qibti stock, he was naturally asmar al jidd, dark of skin. So he wasn't down with committing biological genocide in hopes of winning a spot on the NATO man's globalist plantation and of course he wanted nothing to do with the disgusting plantation culture that developed in the Americas.

So he then joined forces with Sukarno of Indonesia who syncreticized Lenista theory with Hinduism and Islam; U Nu who did the same between Buddhism and Lenista theory; as well as Nehru who went to the Lenista anti-imperial leagues of the 1920s.

They were not reverse racists or any of that nonsense either because not only did the maverick of mavericks, the Jebali Lenistas of Albanian endorsed Bandung but the four later helped found the Non-Aligned Movement with Tito of the 3rd Way.

The Afro-Asian Asabiya orgs that was based in NASSERIST Misr had as members those of the Soviet Asian bloc; the Sino bloc as well as Japan of the capitalist bloc.

I believe we are at a tipping point and I'm not advocating a return to some mythical idealic past but I don't want to see Afro-Asia either turn into wanna be Nordics.

Variety is the spice of life.

I think the spectrum shown on the bottom series is a baby step in the right direction.

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Old 05-12-2016, 06:53 PM
 
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I hate that asians can be so insecure, particularly northeast asians, that they simply do not feel any part of their creativity and originality could be used for the benefit and advancement of the world. So they look up to the west. Quite embarrassing really. If the chinese werent so big headed and arrogant, a very high sophisticated eastern culture could have spread and simultaneously developed and progressed further throughout the asian continenent of the mongoloid sphere. There would have been a high level of cultural exchange between the light skinned northern mongoloids and the brown skinned southern mongoloids. Asians are ambitious, but not ambitious enough. Asians can be war-like, but not war-like enough. So other races end up dominating. Not to say asians should be more war-like.
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Old 05-13-2016, 01:52 AM
 
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I hate that asians can be so insecure, particularly northeast asians, that they simply do not feel any part of their creativity and originality could be used for the benefit and advancement of the world. So they look up to the west. Quite embarrassing really. If the chinese werent so big headed and arrogant, a very high sophisticated eastern culture could have spread and simultaneously developed and progressed further throughout the asian continenent of the mongoloid sphere. There would have been a high level of cultural exchange between the light skinned northern mongoloids and the brown skinned southern mongoloids. Asians are ambitious, but not ambitious enough. Asians can be war-like, but not war-like enough. So other races end up dominating. Not to say asians should be more war-like.
Huh Japan tried the 大東亞共榮 thing and only made everyone hate them.

In modern time, no Asian country can really dominate all others.
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Old 05-13-2016, 09:59 AM
 
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I hate that asians can be so insecure, particularly northeast asians, that they simply do not feel any part of their creativity and originality could be used for the benefit and advancement of the world. So they look up to the west. Quite embarrassing really. If the chinese werent so big headed and arrogant, a very high sophisticated eastern culture could have spread and simultaneously developed and progressed further throughout the asian continenent of the mongoloid sphere. There would have been a high level of cultural exchange between the light skinned northern mongoloids and the brown skinned southern mongoloids. Asians are ambitious, but not ambitious enough. Asians can be war-like, but not war-like enough. So other races end up dominating. Not to say asians should be more war-like.
the only thing Asians want to copy from the west are individuality, openness, democracy, free speech. and these are all universal aspirations.


all the others are just crap
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Old 05-13-2016, 02:16 PM
 
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I hate that asians can be so insecure, particularly northeast asians, that they simply do not feel any part of their creativity and originality could be used for the benefit and advancement of the world. So they look up to the west. Quite embarrassing really. If the chinese werent so big headed and arrogant, a very high sophisticated eastern culture could have spread and simultaneously developed and progressed further throughout the asian continenent of the mongoloid sphere. There would have been a high level of cultural exchange between the light skinned northern mongoloids and the brown skinned southern mongoloids. Asians are ambitious, but not ambitious enough. Asians can be war-like, but not war-like enough. So other races end up dominating. Not to say asians should be more war-like.
You do realize that the reason East Asian culture did not expand much beyond where it did in RL is because East Asians (as in the states, governments, and people in charge) were historically so secure and arrogant about their superiority that they didn't think it was necessary for them to interact with others.
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