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Old 11-18-2015, 11:10 AM
 
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No drug war in China either. I am pretty sure if El Chapo lived in China he would be jailed immediately and put to death the next day. They execute people everyday for minor drug offenses. China is also not a target of jihadist terrorism because they are smart enough to not meddle in other people's business. Therefore, less money spend on terrorism prevention, more on making the money and growing the economy
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Old 11-18-2015, 11:39 PM
 
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No drug war in China either. I am pretty sure if El Chapo lived in China he would be jailed immediately and put to death the next day. They execute people everyday for minor drug offenses. China is also not a target of jihadist terrorism because they are smart enough to not meddle in other people's business. Therefore, less money spend on terrorism prevention, more on making the money and growing the economy
The Chinese government is indeed tough on crime, none of that humanitarian BS, violent criminals are put to death in a year.
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Old 11-23-2015, 09:38 PM
 
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No drug war in China either. I am pretty sure if El Chapo lived in China he would be jailed immediately and put to death the next day. They execute people everyday for minor drug offenses. China is also not a target of jihadist terrorism because they are smart enough to not meddle in other people's business. Therefore, less money spend on terrorism prevention, more on making the money and growing the economy
The Mexican drug war and the rise of El Chapo and his peers was a direct consequence in part of the erosion of the power and authority of the PRI, which was more than a little like the CCP.

If the CCP's power and authority ever crumbled, there could be Chinese equivalents of El Chapo rising - a new warlordism.

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Old 11-23-2015, 09:51 PM
 
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The Mexican drug war and the rise of El Chapo and his peers was a direct consequence in part of the erosion of the power and authority of the PRI, which was more than a little like the CCP.

If the CCP's power and authority ever crumbled, there could be Chinese equivalents of El Chapo rising - a new warlordism.
When Mao was in power, China banned all drugs, prostitution, gambling... And it was very effective.
Now these things are still illegal but are common.
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Old 11-24-2015, 02:20 AM
 
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hardly, China has a much longer cultural and language continuity than Mexico ever did; remember, Mexico is a mix of both ex-Mayan and spanish culture.

I think China has far better manufacturing prowess, in terms of infrastructure like the Three Gorges Dam, bullet train lines all over the eastern part of China connecting the coastal cities, and putting astronauts into space, and the government of China, if we exclude Xinjiang and Tibet, does indeed possess sole monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force.

In contrast, Mexico has areas where the military needs to have "clear-and-hold" operations in cartel territory.

A comparision between Brazil and China is more likely.
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Old 11-24-2015, 07:04 AM
 
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If the former ambassador wanted to say that China will not continue to rise, and will not rise as much as it was expected to rise, maybe it would be better to say that China is like Japan in 1989.

Remember Japan in 1989?

Everyone in 1989 believed Japan was going to take over all American companies, and take over the world...

Then in 1990 the Nikkei went down more than 35% in a year, and all the talk about Japan "taking over the world" disappeared.

I'm not saying that I agree with the ambassador about the future of China, I probably don't agree, but I think this comparison to Japan in 1989 would be more appropriate in order to make his point.
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Old 11-24-2015, 09:12 AM
 
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When Mao was in power, China banned all drugs, prostitution, gambling... And it was very effective.
Genocide and concentration camps will have that effect. Problem is, they'll wipe out good things about a society, too.
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Old 11-24-2015, 07:58 PM
 
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If the former ambassador wanted to say that China will not continue to rise, and will not rise as much as it was expected to rise, maybe it would be better to say that China is like Japan in 1989.

Remember Japan in 1989?

Everyone in 1989 believed Japan was going to take over all American companies, and take over the world...

Then in 1990 the Nikkei went down more than 35% in a year, and all the talk about Japan "taking over the world" disappeared.

I'm not saying that I agree with the ambassador about the future of China, I probably don't agree, but I think this comparison to Japan in 1989 would be more appropriate in order to make his point.
Hardly, political systems between China and Japan are vastly different; do remember that by the mid 1980s, Japan has a far larger middle class than China could every possibly have.

The thing about China is that it has a government that is incredibly ruthless; remember, Japan was directly under the US's security and military umbrella; China has no such guarantee; after all, Deng once said he was willing to execute 200,000 university students (the best and the brightest of the country) to maintain order in China.
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Old 11-25-2015, 12:20 PM
 
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Genocide and concentration camps will have that effect. Problem is, they'll wipe out good things about a society, too.
It's simplistic and incorrect to compare Mao's policy with genocide or concentration camps, no matter what you read in the west.
Communism (at its peak time) is like a religion. Religion shapes people's idea and behavior.
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Old 11-25-2015, 12:23 PM
 
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Hardly, political systems between China and Japan are vastly different; do remember that by the mid 1980s, Japan has a far larger middle class than China could every possibly have.

The thing about China is that it has a government that is incredibly ruthless; remember, Japan was directly under the US's security and military umbrella; China has no such guarantee; after all, Deng once said he was willing to execute 200,000 university students (the best and the brightest of the country) to maintain order in China.
Chinese are not more cruel than Japanese, and government actually reflects the nature of people.
Deng did not say that either.
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