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Old 12-04-2015, 10:04 AM
 
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Hard to really judge, clean compared to? How do we define "clean"?

When I read reports (before I actually travelled to the said destination), people have always said such and such place is clean, when I actually arrive there I'm underwhelmed by such claims...

I believe what most Asians refer to as clean is very different to the Western meaning...Asians believe that a general lack of rubbish being dumped on streets and graffiti is considered clean. I disagree with this viewpoint, I'd say this is rather tidy and kempt rather than "clean". The Western approach is more a lack of dirt/grime on building/streets/footpaths....which I think is a better measure...
people do have different standards.


For example, when westerners say this and that city is "vibrant", I also often end up utterly disappointed. For example, cities like Seattle and Portland are considered have very urban and vibrant cores, but they look small town-ish quiet to me.


I agree most Asian cities are not as clean as north American cities, but you have to consider population and density. Large Asians cities are more comparable to New York or Los Angeles than Denver and Seattle, do you can't make such mistakes.


At first Asian people have this expectation that all right turn drivers will stop for pedestrians in the US. Yes, that's indeed the case in most American cities, until they go to New York. Most people think streets in the US are spotless, unless they go to downtown Manhattan where you see all the familiar garbage and cigarette butts on the streets.
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Old 12-04-2015, 12:23 PM
 
Location: No. Virginia, USA
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So, back to the topic.


I like Laos best.
Cambodia second, it is a terrific place.
They are third world and not so much horn-honking; I like them both.


Viet-Nam, if you can put up with the traffic and horn-honking. Takes some tolerance, but well worth visiting.


ALL these take up a full page in your passport with their dumb visas - which is a negative to my returning to any of them -- but other than that would happily go back.


Singapore is bland and somewhat sterile. Some people prefer that I understand; but it is more a comment on the poster's individual taste than on the place itself.


Been to all these places many times; a bit of a S.E. Asia junkie.
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Old 12-04-2015, 12:49 PM
 
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So, back to the topic.


I like Laos best.
Cambodia second, it is a terrific place.
They are third world and not so much horn-honking; I like them both.

Viet-Nam, if you can put up with the traffic and horn-honking. Takes some tolerance, but well worth visiting.

ALL these take up a full page in your passport with their dumb visas - which is a negative to my returning to any of them -- but other than that would happily go back.

Singapore is bland and somewhat sterile. Some people prefer that I understand; but it is more a comment on the poster's individual taste than on the place itself.

Been to all these places many times; a bit of a S.E. Asia junkie.
This is where it gets puzzling - rank the countries for what, as a place to visit for two weeks? or to live for 20 years? It certainly makes a huge difference. For example you said you like Laos best, but not sure if you want to live there earning local wages.
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Old 12-04-2015, 01:02 PM
 
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This is where it gets puzzling - rank the countries for what, as a place to visit for two weeks? or to live for 20 years? It certainly makes a huge difference. For example you said you like Laos best, but not sure if you want to live there earning local wages.

Yes, good point. I meant as a place to visit. But I doubt they are going to let you live there even if you wanted.
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Old 12-07-2015, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Each country has is own mix of characteristics which give it pluses or minuses, so I want to put them all on the list, tied for first, except Thailand and Vietnam, which I don't like. I haven't seen Japan nor Cambodia yet, those will be next March. I also have not seen Philippines, Brunei, nor Papua New Guinea. Maybe I'd put Burma or Laos a bit above the rest.
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