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Old 12-04-2015, 11:43 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Was wondering how expat living compares between the two countries. Live in Northern China and after 1 1 1/2 years am tired of pollution and cold weather. Have offer to teach in KW. How do countries compare in terms of lifestyle, costs, etc. for expats.
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Old 12-05-2015, 11:44 AM
 
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not sure if Kuwait's heat is any better than N CHina's winter, but I would definitely move just for a change.
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Old 12-05-2015, 01:44 PM
 
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Was wondering how expat living compares between the two countries. Live in Northern China and after 1 1 1/2 years am tired of pollution and cold weather. Have offer to teach in KW. How do countries compare in terms of lifestyle, costs, etc. for expats.
Do you like China, have you considered moving to a different city in China? Not every city in China is heavily polluted like the Northern cities. I believe Fuzhou is a pretty clean city. Kuwait will be very different then China, I personally couldn't live there, but would enjoy visiting it once. Can't compare the costs, but I would imagine Kuwait is more expensive. Chinese are fun and friendly people. Alcohol is illegal in Kuwait, but I believe they allow foreigners to own some. I've heard they allow Christian stores to sell wine, and perhaps other alcohol, but it's illegal for the store owners to sell alcohol to Muslims. Unless you are tired of other aspects of life in China, I would just move to a different (cleaner) city. But again, that's me, and not you.
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Old 12-07-2015, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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I've done both and really enjoyed China but the pollution is terrible. Kuwait probably pays better but it still sux because of the religion there....I would stay in China or try to go to Korea or Thailand.
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Old 12-07-2015, 11:20 AM
 
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If weather and pollution is the major concern, you could move to south China.
I think you live in Tianjin? It is not a particularly fun city even for Chinese.
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Old 12-22-2015, 09:32 AM
 
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Having spent 3 years in Kuwait as an expat; I can answer your questions. I will give you a general idea of what's it like and if you want specifics, you can ask me and I'll answer them.

1. Weather - The weather for most part is really nice from about Nov to May. After that; it's really bad. I'm not sure if you ever been in a hot climate but this is as hot as it gets. From June to Oct, it generally is over 45C to 50C and it's dry heat. Sandstorms, dust storms are common in summer.

2. People- Most of the locals go about their own ways and they leave you alone. However, you will see discrimination everywhere. Maybe not against you; but it's obvious. They don't treat the foreign workers well; the Indians, Pakistanis, Filipinos, Napals are treated as a class below the Arabs. If you stick to other expats; you will be fine.

3. Driving - You will have to drive in this country; as they dont have public transport except buses. Gas is really cheap, 80 cents/gallon. The locals do not follow the laws and they drive like maniacs. Speeding is common. If fact, the leading cause of death in Kuwait, is driving. I've seen so many fatal wrecks on the side of the streets. They also do not wear seat belts. I can't stress how dangerous it is driving here.

4. Safety - Kuwait is relatively safe. Petty crimes are extremely rare. I've seen purses out in public not get stolen. Keep to yourself, don't break the local laws. However, if you do break the law, you do not have the same rights as you do in the West. Their justice system is unfavorable to foreigners. Extremely dangerous for women.

5. Cost - Cost of living is expensive compare to China. Rent is comparable and driving is cheap but everything else is expensive. Eating out and buying groceries are expensive.

If you have any more questions, let me know and I'll answer them.
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Old 12-22-2015, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Having spent 3 years in Kuwait as an expat; I can answer your questions. I will give you a general idea of what's it like and if you want specifics, you can ask me and I'll answer them.

1. Weather - The weather for most part is really nice from about Nov to May. After that; it's really bad. I'm not sure if you ever been in a hot climate but this is as hot as it gets. From June to Oct, it generally is over 45C to 50C and it's dry heat. Sandstorms, dust storms are common in summer.

2. People- Most of the locals go about their own ways and they leave you alone. However, you will see discrimination everywhere. Maybe not against you; but it's obvious. They don't treat the foreign workers well; the Indians, Pakistanis, Filipinos, Napals are treated as a class below the Arabs. If you stick to other expats; you will be fine.

3. Driving - You will have to drive in this country; as they dont have public transport except buses. Gas is really cheap, 80 cents/gallon. The locals do not follow the laws and they drive like maniacs. Speeding is common. If fact, the leading cause of death in Kuwait, is driving. I've seen so many fatal wrecks on the side of the streets. They also do not wear seat belts. I can't stress how dangerous it is driving here.

4. Safety - Kuwait is relatively safe. Petty crimes are extremely rare. I've seen purses out in public not get stolen. Keep to yourself, don't break the local laws. However, if you do break the law, you do not have the same rights as you do in the West. Their justice system is unfavorable to foreigners. Extremely dangerous for women.

5. Cost - Cost of living is expensive compare to China. Rent is comparable and driving is cheap but everything else is expensive. Eating out and buying groceries are expensive.

If you have any more questions, let me know and I'll answer them.
That's some awesome information and wow Kuwait sounds really ****ty.
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Old 12-22-2015, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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If weather and pollution is the major concern, you could move to south China.
I think you live in Tianjin? It is not a particularly fun city even for Chinese.
Guangzhou isn't as bad as some northern or interior cities... most days are fairly clear. But then you have days like today, where there's a "fog" that obscures everything a half kilometer out, meaning that from my balcony in my apartment in the CBD, i can't see the lights of the tallest skyscraper in GZ about 1.2 km away But, this is the exception and not the norm.

Shenzhen is similar, maybe a bit better since it's coastal. Zhuhai is much cleaner since it's smaller, but it's also much less exciting and there's way less to do than in GZ or SZ, especially for an expat. While GZ and SZ have their own multidimensional nightlifes and social scenes, it seems like most of the Zhuhai folks i know just hoof it over to Macau for fun. Make sure you have a decent visa with multiple entries and exits before you go; Z or M is the best imho.
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Old 12-22-2015, 06:21 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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On days like today where the pollution is so bad that schools are closed, Kuwait looks much better! North China is especially bad this year. We are going to Hong Kong tomorrow for long Xmas weekend - 20 degree temps, AQI below 100, and plenty of international food sounds heavenly to me!
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Old 12-22-2015, 06:51 PM
 
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Guangzhou isn't as bad as some northern or interior cities... most days are fairly clear. But then you have days like today, where there's a "fog" that obscures everything a half kilometer out, meaning that from my balcony in my apartment in the CBD, i can't see the lights of the tallest skyscraper in GZ about 1.2 km away But, this is the exception and not the norm.

Shenzhen is similar, maybe a bit better since it's coastal. Zhuhai is much cleaner since it's smaller, but it's also much less exciting and there's way less to do than in GZ or SZ, especially for an expat. While GZ and SZ have their own multidimensional nightlifes and social scenes, it seems like most of the Zhuhai folks i know just hoof it over to Macau for fun. Make sure you have a decent visa with multiple entries and exits before you go; Z or M is the best imho.
South China had been foggy in winter even before industrialization though. Some places in southwest China are the worst.
Of course the fog makes pollution even more harmful.
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