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Old 12-13-2015, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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So sad! Where does public opinion stand in this regard? Is there much call to clean things up?
Yeah there is, constantly, just that the government has chosen to turn a blind eye on it, as always.

Actually the areas with the worst air pollution are not really cities. While Kaohsiung, Taichung, and Tainan's air pollution is indeed terrible, but in the countryside - some villages/towns in less populated counties such as Yunlin, Changhua, Nantou etc. - has it even worse, as the factories are built there.
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Old 12-13-2015, 12:29 PM
 
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But, who do you talk to?

China's government controls public media of 1.5 billion people there. I think, as a result, western media has little credibility and may even be perceived as hostile (everything said, opposite is true) to China's government. Ordinary people there may not even have access to western media.
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Old 12-13-2015, 01:41 PM
 
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But, who do you talk to?

China's government controls public media of 1.5 billion people there. I think, as a result, western media has little credibility and may even be perceived as hostile (everything said, opposite is true) to China's government. Ordinary people there may not even have access to western media.
People in China all know China is seriously polluted and the media talk about it frequently too. In fact, they do not know other developing countries such as India and Iran have worse air quality than China does, because the media usually do not talk about pollution in other developing countries.
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Old 12-13-2015, 03:17 PM
 
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But, who do you talk to?

China's government controls public media of 1.5 billion people there. I think, as a result, western media has little credibility and may even be perceived as hostile (everything said, opposite is true) to China's government. Ordinary people there may not even have access to western media.
This is where you are wrong. I just came back from China last month on a two week business trip,. Parts of China, namely the various major cities, are seriously polluted. But there are programs on television and signs everywhere telling people about air pollution and how to cope. Nothing is hidden, and the information is quite readily available. The news broadcast and the weather announcements even have smog indicators to warn people of different activities for specific days and times of day.

So your Chinese media control is quite outdated. Often Chinese media is even more critical of China when given a chance. I didn't see any mention of pollution in other countries, just China and how bad it is. There is a general consensus that the situation is really bad.
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Old 12-15-2015, 04:39 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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But, who do you talk to?

China's government controls public media of 1.5 billion people there. I think, as a result, western media has little credibility and may even be perceived as hostile (everything said, opposite is true) to China's government. Ordinary people there may not even have access to western media.
The government tried to censor information along these lines up into a few years ago, but it became so rampant a topic on social media that it was impossible to control. The basic thing is that it's really, really visible to pretty much goddamn anyone on the ground that things are bad, so it completely undermines faith in the government and media for the Chinese media to say anything otherwise. It's also a really bad public health policy even for those empowered. Heavy air pollution and poisoned food scandals can hit even the wealthy and elite--the fact that you can't go outside for a walk or eat your basic favorite fresh foods are going to hit home even if you are a member or a beneficiary of the government. It's for those reasons that media coverage of pollution in China within China itself is actually very widespread and common. It's why AQI and PM2.5 have been commonly known terms in every day popular dialogue for years now.

However, even with all that, I'm still super impressed by the prevalence of smoking in China. It's sort of non-sensical.
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Old 12-15-2015, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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However, even with all that, I'm still super impressed by the prevalence of smoking in China. It's sort of non-sensical.
Oh yes. It's hilarious.
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Old 12-15-2015, 07:13 AM
 
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China is bad - but what about the southeast Asian smoke haze that seems to be turning into a permanent fixture around Malaysia, Singapore, and Indonesia (from farming slash and burn)? People complain, in particular Singapore, but imagine a smoke cloud 1,000 miles x 1,000 miles over the north American continent! It should be unacceptable. It seems to be getting worse every year.
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