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Old 12-23-2015, 12:55 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Why bring the US into the discussion?

Personally, I like Taiwan as it is. I could get by with fewer typhoons per year but it is what it is.
The US was an example of how appearances can be deceiving, or the flip-side of that--statistics, stock market returns, and government propaganda can be deceiving. Or, more to the point, focusing on the most economically successful demographic in a country can be deceiving (the Saudi example makes that point especially graphically). Touting a country's wealth doesn't conceal the underdevelopment that can be observed by visitors on the ground.

Is it really so hard to understand? And btw, I love Taiwan, too. What does that have to do with it?
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Old 12-23-2015, 03:00 PM
 
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Because parts of it are poor. There's a huge gap between the very wealthy in Taiwan, and average Joes, and the poor. You might turn your concern toward the poor in the US. Ever been to the rural South? Even in New Mexico, even in some of the larger towns, there are houses made of adobe with dirt floors. This, in towns where people like Rumsfeld and Julia Roberts have vacation homes.

How does the US manage to bully everyone into thinking it's richer than it really is? It's all smoke and mirrors, OP. Are you sure Taiwan is as rich as it would have you believe?
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The US was an example of how appearances can be deceiving, or the flip-side of that--statistics, stock market returns, and government propaganda can be deceiving. Or, more to the point, focusing on the most economically successful demographic in a country can be deceiving (the Saudi example makes that point especially graphically). Touting a country's wealth doesn't conceal the underdevelopment that can be observed by visitors on the ground.

Is it really so hard to understand? And btw, I love Taiwan, too. What does that have to do with it?

Yes it is but fair enough, I can respect that position (actually I agree with it). However, you didn't make the "example" part very clear with the "How does the US manage to bully everyone into thinking it's richer than it really is?".

To me it came across as another opportunity for bashing the US when the same can be said for just about every nation on earth.
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Old 12-23-2015, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA, USA
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To put things in perspective and to all those who bash Taipei and Taiwanese cities has rundown looking, I will take Taipei and most of the Taiwanese major cities over these cities (see the images in the link below as those images are truly that of underdeveloped 3rd World Cities).

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_slums

When you see the images here, you will then see that Taiwanese cities, though not the most aesthetically pleasing cities are not that bad and could be much worse.
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Old 12-23-2015, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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^It's kind of sad to compare Taiwanese cities to actual slums tbqh, though on the brighter side, Taiwan in general doesn't have any real slums. There are rural or urban backwaters that look horrible on all accounts, but I don't think real slums exist as those ugly households usually have Internet access, smartphones, and LCD televisions and whatnot. At least not to my knowledge.
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Old 12-24-2015, 03:40 AM
 
Location: Singapore
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^It's kind of sad to compare Taiwanese cities to actual slums tbqh, though on the brighter side, Taiwan in general doesn't have any real slums. There are rural or urban backwaters that look horrible on all accounts, but I don't think real slums exist as those ugly households usually have Internet access, smartphones, and LCD televisions and whatnot. At least not to my knowledge.
I really don't think there are slums in Taiwan in the way we think of slums as in Mumbai, or Manila.
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Old 12-24-2015, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA, USA
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^It's kind of sad to compare Taiwanese cities to actual slums tbqh, though on the brighter side, Taiwan in general doesn't have any real slums. There are rural or urban backwaters that look horrible on all accounts, but I don't think real slums exist as those ugly households usually have Internet access, smartphones, and LCD televisions and whatnot. At least not to my knowledge.
I used that comparison because I was getting the sense that some people here as well as on other threads were implicitly(not necessarily explicitly) suggesting that Taiwan is really 3rd World or developing because the cities look dodgy and rundown (which I know you can't base the development of the country simply by how the cities look). But to put things in perspective- had to show that real 3rd World Cities look like. And goes to show Taiwanese cities are really not that bad and definitely not 3rd World.
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Old 12-24-2015, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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I really don't think there are slums in Taiwan in the way we think of slums as in Mumbai, or Manila.
Taiwan doesn't even have slums like ghettos in America or banlieue in France tbqh.
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Old 12-24-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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One can get some "street sense" whether Taiwan is 1st, 2nd or 3rd world by viewing some real netizen's Youtube clips. India is a known 3rd world country, and Taipei, Mumbai are comparable in size. You can measure the distance from a true 3rd world yourself.

Taipei (2012)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZy8_5ghjjc

Mumbai (2009)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy8tWt_Csqw
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Old 07-26-2018, 11:15 PM
 
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Taiwan people also probably have a habit of saving rather than spending as well, I guess Taiwan peaked early and never really invested much into rebuilding or rezoning much - i.e. tearing down old buildings and developing news ones. Mainland China peaked much later and their buildings are much newer, but just check them out after 20 years...same with Korea, though most of their urban population is in apartment style high rises like Hong Kong.

Not sure if another factor would be the Chinese not being as clean as say the Japanese - it helps, just look at Singapore, although that within itself needs another thread. Singaporeans are that clean, but rely on a lot of cheaper foreign labour that does a lot of the dirty work - pun intended.

It's just odd that Taiwan, as a country that is admired around South East Asia's Chinese diaspora (many of who, until recently studied Chinese via Taiwanese publications and with it, the Taiwanese version of Chinese culture) looks shockingly very plain compared to even South East Asia these days.
What kind of racist and complete garbage is this?
I don’t know any Chinese who’s less “clean” than any Japanese. Chinese people are not the ones who eat food raw like savages and were found to have 80% of its population infested with parasites.

And your ignorant racist ass might like to know that Singapore was literally built by Chinese and 80% of the population are Chinese diaspora. So the fact that after your racist ridiculous generalization you went on to praise Singapore for “being that clean” in the same line is a display of your ignorance.
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Old 07-27-2018, 02:52 AM
 
Location: Macao
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What can be done about this? The housing, the streets, it looks more south east asian, like Thailand.
I love southeast asia.

What makes it look poor? It looks livable, walkable, interesting, engaging, etc. I MUCH prefer being able to walk to restaurants, stores, plazas, everywhere... People pay A LOT OF MONEY to be able to do that in the U.S....i.e. Manhattan, San Francisco.
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