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Old 12-28-2015, 04:27 AM
 
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I am glad to see this issue finally being resolved, in a way that is agreeable to the South Korean government.

(For the record, despite what some have believed, the Japanese government did in fact express apology and compensation to the comfort women issue in the past. Despite this, the anti Japanese nationalists had long denied that the Japanese government had done this. And I am positive these same anti Japanese elements will continue to do so despite this latest news)

Japan, South Korea reach 'final, irreversible' resolution to 'comfort women' issue - AJW by The Asahi Shimbun

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Japan will contribute 1 billion yen ($8.3 million) to a foundation established by South Korea to help former "comfort women" as part of what both sides described as a "final and irreversible resolution" of the long-standing, contentious issue.

Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida and his South Korean counterpart, Yun Byung-se, held a news conference on Dec. 28 after a meeting in Seoul where the historic agreement was reached.

In announcing Japan's part in the agreement, Kishida said that Prime Minister Shinzo Abe "expressed his heartfelt apology and remorse as prime minister of Japan to all those who have borne physical and psychological scars that will be difficult to heal and who experienced much pain and suffering as comfort women.
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Old 12-28-2015, 05:27 AM
 
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I am glad to see this issue finally being resolved, in a way that is agreeable to the South Korean government.

(For the record, despite what some have believed, the Japanese government did in fact express apology and compensation to the comfort women issue in the past. Despite this, the anti Japanese nationalists had long denied that the Japanese government had done this. And I am positive these same anti Japanese elements will continue to do so despite this latest news)

Japan, South Korea reach 'final, irreversible' resolution to 'comfort women' issue - AJW by The Asahi Shimbun
Japan is no saint. It's only doing this to appease the SK, who are turning very friendly toward China. The japanese are pawns of the American pivot back to Asia and is at the forefront of an effort to build an anti-China coalition. The SK of course will be balancing China and japan for its own sake. China of course will continue to keep NK alive and growling for its own sake. Japan will remain a neutered pawn of the American hegemon.

Japan is trying to break free of that pawn role. But of course the US will never trust japan to be truly independent and nuclear armed. Afterall, the US is the only country that has ever used nukes on another country. And Japan of course is that country. They may be chummy on the surface, but the US will never trust japan. And Japan will never truly forgive the US. Both are not stupid.
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Old 12-28-2015, 07:10 PM
 
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Koreans will still dislike Japan even if this issue is finally "resolved".

Almost every Korean dislike the Japanese government for a large number of reasons.
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:19 AM
 
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Koreans will still dislike Japan even if this issue is finally "resolved".

Almost every Korean dislike the Japanese government for a large number of reasons.
Not just that, but the idea that Japan can "buy off" its crimes against humanity is outright ridiculous. For the Koreans, who are a proud people, to accept this "deal" is a real humiliation. How much hush money should you get if you were raped? That's essentially the question here, and the Japanese are paying hush money to the korean rape victims.....pretty disgusting. $8 million is a pretty stingy figure too.

China is very smart. There is absolutely no monetary value that can be placed on Japan's war crimes against China. No amount of "regret" will do either. But the value of using Japanese war crimes as historical lessons to unify the Chinese people and to guarantee almost 100% public support for any sort of Chinese action against japan on any issue is priceless. Japan will carry this weight forever.
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Old 12-29-2015, 07:11 PM
 
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Not just that, but the idea that Japan can "buy off" its crimes against humanity is outright ridiculous. For the Koreans, who are a proud people, to accept this "deal" is a real humiliation. How much hush money should you get if you were raped? That's essentially the question here, and the Japanese are paying hush money to the korean rape victims.....pretty disgusting. $8 million is a pretty stingy figure too.

China is very smart. There is absolutely no monetary value that can be placed on Japan's war crimes against China. No amount of "regret" will do either. But the value of using Japanese war crimes as historical lessons to unify the Chinese people and to guarantee almost 100% public support for any sort of Chinese action against japan on any issue is priceless. Japan will carry this weight forever.
Those koreans and chinese need to get over it Japan has apologized enough.
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Old 12-30-2015, 01:29 AM
 
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Those koreans and chinese need to get over it Japan has apologized enough.
Yes, Japan has apologized. Then elected other politicians who deny, or did before, deny the issues. Korea doesn't just want an apology, it wants a sincere apology. This has issues of its own, but it is difficult to argue that Japan has ever really been sincere when much of the Japanese population does not raise a voice when some of their elected politicians. Minor note. Another small issue some have with the apologies is wording, with some claiming that the Japan has said "sorry" in the sense of "sorry it happened" rather than "sorry for doing/causing it."

Of course, that is partly cultural, and an issue stemming from many South Koreans expecting Japanese culture to be, in this instance, similar to their own, when it isn't. Japan's culture isn't very big on protests, although they do occur, such as the protests against the Korean population of Japan and the counter-protests in support of the Korean population of Japan. In contrast, protests and civil disobedience is very important in the culture and history of South Korea (South Korea only got democracy in the 80s after multiple protests against American supported dictators), with recent examples being Koreans speaking out on the internet against a politician who playfully told another volunteer, from Africa, that the person's skin colour matched that of pastries and the large protests against their own South Korean government for attempting to whitewash Korea's own history.

Apologies for the rambling. Attempting to end my point. Japan's apologies do not appear "sincere" to many Koreans simply because of actions or event following, and lack of actions or events following those, them. While I also hope that this issue comes to an end, I believe it will remain a sensitive issue so long as these women, as well as ones close to them, are alive, making this issue a very personal one.

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Not just that, but the idea that Japan can "buy off" its crimes against humanity is outright ridiculous. For the Koreans, who are a proud people, to accept this "deal" is a real humiliation. How much hush money should you get if you were raped? That's essentially the question here, and the Japanese are paying hush money to the korean rape victims.....pretty disgusting. $8 million is a pretty stingy figure too.

China is very smart. There is absolutely no monetary value that can be placed on Japan's war crimes against China. No amount of "regret" will do either. But the value of using Japanese war crimes as historical lessons to unify the Chinese people and to guarantee almost 100% public support for any sort of Chinese action against japan on any issue is priceless. Japan will carry this weight forever.
Well, this is sort of complicated. After all, the money Japan is pledging here is the amount of money demanded by the South Korean government and/or surviving comfort women. So the issue of it being stingy is a bit off. The hush money is seen as compensation for the suffering these women endured. True, money cannot undo the past or, as some put it, return their "innocence," but it is something. Furthermore, based on articles I've read the past few years, it seems what most of these women are more interested in the apology and this compensation, whether it is money or not, cannot just be taken away if, in the future, a Japanese politician says something controversial on the subject.
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Old 12-31-2015, 12:37 AM
 
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Those koreans and chinese need to get over it Japan has apologized enough.
Asians don't easily "get over". It is true for both sides.
There is a famous saying in China: "10 years later is not too late for gentlemen to revenge", and so on.

Christianity values forgiveness (at least in theory), but it is not particularly valued in Asian culture.
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Old 12-31-2015, 05:31 AM
 
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Those koreans and chinese need to get over it Japan has apologized enough.
Well, it's not your place to tell victims to get over anything.Plus, why would they? It's strategically smart to use it against japan.
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Old 12-31-2015, 05:36 AM
 
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Yes, Japan has apologized. Then elected other politicians who deny, or did before, deny the issues. Korea doesn't just want an apology, it wants a sincere apology. This has issues of its own, but it is difficult to argue that Japan has ever really been sincere when much of the Japanese population does not raise a voice when some of their elected politicians. Minor note. Another small issue some have with the apologies is wording, with some claiming that the Japan has said "sorry" in the sense of "sorry it happened" rather than "sorry for doing/causing it."

Of course, that is partly cultural, and an issue stemming from many South Koreans expecting Japanese culture to be, in this instance, similar to their own, when it isn't. Japan's culture isn't very big on protests, although they do occur, such as the protests against the Korean population of Japan and the counter-protests in support of the Korean population of Japan. In contrast, protests and civil disobedience is very important in the culture and history of South Korea (South Korea only got democracy in the 80s after multiple protests against American supported dictators), with recent examples being Koreans speaking out on the internet against a politician who playfully told another volunteer, from Africa, that the person's skin colour matched that of pastries and the large protests against their own South Korean government for attempting to whitewash Korea's own history.

Apologies for the rambling. Attempting to end my point. Japan's apologies do not appear "sincere" to many Koreans simply because of actions or event following, and lack of actions or events following those, them. While I also hope that this issue comes to an end, I believe it will remain a sensitive issue so long as these women, as well as ones close to them, are alive, making this issue a very personal one.



Well, this is sort of complicated. After all, the money Japan is pledging here is the amount of money demanded by the South Korean government and/or surviving comfort women. So the issue of it being stingy is a bit off. The hush money is seen as compensation for the suffering these women endured. True, money cannot undo the past or, as some put it, return their "innocence," but it is something. Furthermore, based on articles I've read the past few years, it seems what most of these women are more interested in the apology and this compensation, whether it is money or not, cannot just be taken away if, in the future, a Japanese politician says something controversial on the subject.

Yes, by taking the money, individual Koreans might benefit. But the Koreans as a nation can no longer use the issue in its dealing with japan. This is exactly what the japanese want. This is also the reason why the Chinese government secretly is glad that japan is so intransigent about the apologies and the Nanjing issue. There is no way to bring back the dead or to replay the damages. So why not use the issue to bash japan and rally the Chinese people? The more prideful the japanese are about Nanjing, the better for China.
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Old 01-03-2016, 09:03 PM
 
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Asians don't easily "get over". It is true for both sides.
There is a famous saying in China: "10 years later is not too late for gentlemen to revenge", and so on.
Well, I agree 50% at most. Almost no Chinese talks about Opium Wars(鸦片战争).

When did you hear a Japanese asking China to apologize for what China did to Japan? Check this or this.
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