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Old 01-03-2016, 08:31 PM
 
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I don't know why gay marriage is so important for you, but Jin Xing is very famous in China.

Jin Xing show is one of my most favorite shows in the world:


https://youtu.be/84N-VSdhWzM
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Old 01-04-2016, 03:22 AM
 
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You are not feeling comfortable about a gay analogy on Washington or Obama even though you may not like both at all.

The hardcore truth is Americans lack a basic respect on foreign leaders or culture especially for non-white countries. This is how "Zhou maybe a gay" BS coming from. Those BS makers alwyas use "Freedom of Speech" to defend this kind of BS. Is there any other countries spend time & money to research sexual orientation of US leaders. Nope. They know a basic respect on foreign leaders.
What are you talking about? I would have absolutely no problem with anyone claiming that Washington or Obama was gay. I would simply feel pity for them for being born at the wrong time. The author of the book also posits that Zhou was born too early to be able live a happier personal life. Zhou's marriage to his wife was absolutely devoid of emotion and passion, as most people know. I guess Zhou simply channeled his feelings toward his lifetime work for China's future.
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Old 01-04-2016, 08:57 PM
 
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Someone may be "gay", but no one is "a gay." Someone can be a homosexual but not "a gay."

The word "gay" is used only in context as an adjective. But it's ok to say "the gays" as a collective or group. But "a gay" is wrong.

I am sick of people butchering the English language.
Quoted from Oxford Dictionaries:
noun

A homosexual, especially a man.

John is a repressed gay living with his old mum.
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Old 01-06-2016, 01:51 PM
 
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I don't know why gay marriage is so important for you, but Jin Xing is very famous in China.

Jin Xing show is one of my most favorite shows in the world:


https://youtu.be/84N-VSdhWzM
Jin xing is not gay. She is transsexuals.
We should know they are completely different.

We always say LGBT. In fact gays have very little in common with transsexuals. Completely different people.
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Old 01-06-2016, 02:50 PM
 
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Before you make your last argument, you should look at Japan first.
Additionally being feminine has absolutely nothing to do with gayness.
I just meant a feminine environment is more friendly to homosexuals. Feminine people are generally more accepting. Its just a trait of being feminine.

I don't know a lot about Japanese culture, but I know their views on sexuality are very complicated.
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Old 01-06-2016, 02:57 PM
 
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I just meant a feminine environment is more friendly to homosexuals. Feminine people are generally more accepting. Its just a trait of being feminine.

I don't know a lot about Japanese culture, but I know their views on sexuality are very complicated.
What do you mean by feminine then?
Chinese men are physically smaller than western men, yes. But in terms of personality and behaviors, I do not think they are more feminine.
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:21 PM
 
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What do you mean by feminine then?
Chinese men are physically smaller than western men, yes. But in terms of personality and behaviors, I do not think they are more feminine.
Sure they are. Chinese men are much closer to each other then American men for example. I'm generalizing here, so I realize not every Chinese person is like this, but from my experiences it's true. Chinese men are much more reserved, fashionable, want to sit very close to male friends or even on their laps, it's not uncommon to see men put their hands on male friends knees while sitting, it's also not uncommon to see men holding hands, I would define all of those as traits of being feminine. None of that is related to being a homosexual, but that environment in my opinion would make it easier to be a homosexual. Thats just a small part of Chinese culture and there is nothing wrong with any of that, but if 2 guys do most of that here in the US, people will assume they are gay, and depending on where they are, that can illicit a wide range of reactions. There are places in the US you could get kicked out of for doing some of those things, which in effect would make for a worse environment for being a homosexual.

In my personal opinion if the Communists hadn't banned homosexuality, China would likely be on the forefront of gay rights. China has quickly undone their government discouragement of homosexuality in the last 20 years. It went from being banned and criminal to being discussed on a national level of legalization in less then 20 years, what other country has come that far so quickly.

This goes into greater detail then I care to.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_China
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:30 PM
 
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Sure they are. Chinese men are much closer to each other then American men for example. I'm generalizing here, so I realize not every Chinese person is like this, but from my experiences it's true. Chinese men are much more reserved, fashionable, want to sit very close to male friends or even on their laps, it's not uncommon to see men put their hands on male friends knees while sitting, it's also not uncommon to see men holding hands, I would define all of those as traits of being feminine. None of that is related to being a homosexual, but that environment in my opinion would make it easier to be a homosexual. Thats just a small part of Chinese culture and there is nothing wrong with any of that, but if 2 guys do most of that here in the US, people will assume they are gay, and depending on where they are, that can illicit a wide range of reactions. There are places in the US you could get kicked out of for doing some of those things, which in effect would make for a worse environment for being a homosexual.

In my personal opinion if the Communists hadn't banned homosexuality, China would likely be on the forefront of gay rights. China has quickly undone their government discouragement of homosexuality in the last 20 years. It went from being banned and criminal to being discussed on a national level of legalization in less then 20 years, what other country has come that far so quickly.

This goes into greater detail then I care to.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_China
I think you have a lot of misconceptions.

Yes, it may be more common for men to touch men in China, but why do you assume it is "feminine"? In fact, very masculine men touch their friends more than very shy men do. Arab men etc. even kiss each other's face when they greet. It is just a cultural difference and has nothing to do with feminine.

The "communists" did not ban homosexuality either. I don't know where you got the information. Yes, some homosexuals were punished, but it is because they had sex in public places, or in inappropriate situations (teacher and student, etc.). Hetereosexuals were punished too. Do you know a man and a woman "living together" without marriage was literally illegal till the 1990s?
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:35 PM
 
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^Really? They hold hands and rub each other's laps? My impression of Chinese men is that they are macho as **** and expect all women to save themselves before marriage (pathetic sexism). Many of them also have like zillions of mistresses and **** and that's like a symbol of being a successful man.

They also get married frightfully early under family pressure or whatnot, like 25 or something, which is quite unbelievable.

And I don't see how China can be considered a "front runner" in terms of LGBT rights in Asia. There's Israel, which is very very gay-friendly; then there's Thailand and the Philippines, also pretty gay friendly even though legalisation is nowhere near realisation; then there's Nepal, which is gonna pass the bill soon; at worst there's Taiwan, where the population is laughably moralistic and provincial and hypocritical, but at least there's continual support from the public and gay marriage is actually part of the election campaign; or Japan, where homosexuality is very very popular in a way thanks to all the manga and anime and gay porn. China has recently just ruled out that homosexuality is not a mental illness, the first Asian country to legalise gay marriage? Well I guess pennyone might buy that, or maybe your definition of "close to legalisation" means decades.
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:44 PM
 
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I think you have a lot of misconceptions.

Yes, it may be more common for men to touch men in China, but why do you assume it is "feminine"? In fact, very masculine men touch their friends more than very shy men do. Arab men etc. even kiss each other's face when they greet. It is just a cultural difference and has nothing to do with feminine.

The "communists" did not ban homosexuality either. I don't know where you got the information. Yes, some homosexuals were punished, but it is because they had sex in public places, or in inappropriate situations (teacher and student, etc.). Hetereosexuals were punished too. Do you know a man and a woman "living together" without marriage was literally illegal till the 1990s?
Maybe, but from my experiences everything I said was true, but maybe I didn't experience China the same way Chinese do. I won't debate what feminine vs masculine means, but I don't think most Chinese men are masculine. I met some Chinese men who are masculine, but they were almost entirely older men. Regardless, in my opinion China actually has a pretty friendly atmosphere or at least foundation for homosexuals. It doesn't have anything like Christianity or Islam to denounce homosexuality as immoral.

Homosexuality was unbanned in 1997, but if you want to go by semantics, then yes you are correct, it was never technically illegal, but there were laws on the books vague enough to allow homosexuals to be punished for actions and their lifestyle, whether public or not. The law was changed at that same time to specifically focus on public sexual acts which you are discussing. China could criminalize homosexuals until 2001 under another law as being mentally challenged.

China has had bills introduced annually for the last few years to legalize gay marriage, but none of them gained much support, but still that is a huge turnaround from where China was just a couple decades ago.
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