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Old 01-15-2016, 02:49 PM
 
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We are talking about Taiwan of today, not ROC at that time. At that time, there was no 台独 at all.
The Taiwan "of today" is still the ROC. There is no such country as "taiwan". That name is just a geographical name, like the Persian Plateau or the Iberian Peninsula. It has never been or will it ever be an official political name of a "real" country.

In fact, it is most accurate to use the word "island" after the term "taiwan."

If you don't like it, then tough luck.
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Old 01-15-2016, 02:53 PM
 
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I think China needs a little freedom. I say send in the troops and topple the communist regime.
Yeah, you'll send in the troop, but you'll sit on your comfy couch and watch the war on TV. Tough guy. I hate cowards that talk tough.
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Old 01-15-2016, 02:53 PM
 
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I doubt the US would really have a choice because I'm sure the Japanese government would need/request that the US get involved. The Japanese are somewhat limited to the military equipment they can have due to the treaty between Japan and the US. There is a lot of military equipment that the Japanese cannot have because of this agreement. So in turn, the US has a very strong presents in Japan. I believe Japan and the US both want/need Taiwan to be as independent as possible. That entire area already is full of high tensions because of N. Korea shooting missiles over the Sea of Japan every so often.
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Old 01-15-2016, 03:00 PM
 
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I doubt the US would really have a choice because I'm sure the Japanese government would need/request that the US get involved. The Japanese are somewhat limited to the military equipment they can have due to the treaty between Japan and the US. There is a lot of military equipment that the Japanese cannot have because of this agreement. So in turn, the US has a very strong presents in Japan. I believe Japan and the US both want/need Taiwan to be as independent as possible. That entire area already is full of high tensions because of N. Korea shooting missiles over the Sea of Japan every so often.
Basically, this is why no matter who gets into office on taiwan island, the status quo will be maintained. The island will remain the ROC, and those taiwan independence zealots will just have to accept that fact. China has that Anti-Secession Law and everything is pretty clear. The US does not want to be dragged into a war with China, no matter how hard little taiwan island or japan tries. And without US help, both taiwan and japan don't have a chance in hell to beat China in a shooting war.
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Old 01-15-2016, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Yeah, you'll send in the troop, but you'll sit on your comfy couch and watch the war on TV. Tough guy. I hate cowards that talk tough.
Are you from China?
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Old 01-15-2016, 03:12 PM
 
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Basically, this is why no matter who gets into office on taiwan island, the status quo will be maintained. The island will remain the ROC, and those taiwan independence zealots will just have to accept that fact. China has that Anti-Secession Law and everything is pretty clear. The US does not want to be dragged into a war with China, no matter how hard little taiwan island or japan tries. And without US help, both taiwan and japan don't have a chance in hell to beat China in a shooting war.
Taiwan isn't something that I think China would want to waste too much time on really. It's just a piece of land and I'm not so sure what natural resources it has for China to want it badly enough. While American presents are in the region, it's not worth the trouble for China. Now if America pulled out of that region completely (Japan, S. Korea) that could cause it to become unstable over there.
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Old 01-15-2016, 03:45 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Well, there is a difference between Tibet and China. Tibet is actually ruled by Beijing right now. Taiwan is not.
My point, exactly. Taiwan issuing its own currency, stamps and passports, having its own army, doesn't guarantee it independence. In China's eyes, going by past history, it means nothing.


Honestly, with such an ominous presence on their doorstep, I don't know how anyone could miss the point.
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Old 01-15-2016, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA, USA
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My point, exactly. Taiwan issuing its own currency, stamps and passports, having its own army, doesn't guarantee it independence. In China's eyes, going by past history, it means nothing.


Honestly, with such an ominous presence on their doorstep, I don't know how anyone could miss the point.
Well, again when we are talking about "independence" there is de jure independence and de facto independence. In China "eyes" Taiwan does not have de jure independence (which is a debatable issue). But, I am referring to Taiwan having de facto independence which is irrelevant to what China thinks Taiwan is part of China. Right now, Taiwan has de facto independence- it has its own currency, stamps, passports, etc.- meaning it is running as an independent nation.

When you talking about "issuing its own currency, stamps and passports, having its own army, doesn't guarantee it independence"- you mean guarantying de jure independence.
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Old 01-15-2016, 04:29 PM
 
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Well, again when we are talking about "independence" there is de jure independence and de facto independence. In China "eyes" Taiwan does not have de jure independence (which is a debatable issue). But, I am referring to Taiwan having de facto independence which is irrelevant to what China thinks Taiwan is part of China. Right now, Taiwan has de facto independence- it has its own currency, stamps, passports, etc.- meaning it is running as an independent nation.

When you talking about "issuing its own currency, stamps and passports, having its own army, doesn't guarantee it independence"- you mean guarantying de jure independence.
Thanks for the clarification. It's an interesting point, when compared to Tibet. Did Tibet ever have de jure independence? Some would say it did. Taiwan, in that respect, is in a very different situation. In fact, Taiwan has not only claimed to represent all of China, it's included Tibet in that "all", in it's definition of "China".
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Old 01-15-2016, 04:45 PM
 
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Thanks for the clarification. It's an interesting point, when compared to Tibet. Did Tibet ever have de jure independence? Some would say it did. Taiwan, in that respect, is in a very different situation. In fact, Taiwan has not only claimed to represent all of China, it's included Tibet in that "all", in it's definition of "China".
Well, that is something I believe is outdated that I wish they would change- it is from when the ROC ruled China. They also claim Mongolia which right now has both de jure and de facto independent.
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