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Old 05-22-2016, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Paramus, NJ
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I say ignore these people. They are willfully blind. It's like giving pearls to pigs.
True. ^__^

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There are always two sides to everything. I find my experience is Japan is that it's too "nice to be real", hah yes they are humble to some extent culturally ingrained, but there just seems to be this devious, sneaky streak underneath wanting to kill you. Heck, they historically learnt from the Chinese and tried to conquer them, they tried to do the same to the USA?
It's just the culture. A lot of Japanese seem to be humble and nice people, but there are always a few bad apples among the group like with any other culture out there. Yes, they do look inwardly, because of the kind of society they live in. That's just how it is.

Funny that you mentioned the ending question like that, because in today's time, it seems China (-the government, itself) has definitely learned from the Japanese of the past, and is today's imperialistic power in Asia. (Well, it almost feels like it.) Almost like Russia's on-going overnight encroachment of Georgia's border..., which is a bit scary to say the least...
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Old 05-22-2016, 11:40 PM
 
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True. ^__^


It's just the culture. A lot of Japanese seem to be humble and nice people, but there are always a few bad apples among the group like with any other culture out there. Yes, they do look inwardly, because of the kind of society they live in. That's just how it is.

Funny that you mentioned the ending question like that, because in today's time, it seems China (-the government, itself) has definitely learned from the Japanese of the past, and is today's imperialistic power in Asia. (Well, it almost feels like it.) Almost like Russia's on-going overnight encroachment of Georgia's border..., which is a bit scary to say the least...
IMHO, Asian nations are a disgrace amongst themselves. If they were truly powerful, why not take on the West and not squabble for a few rocks? If they were that great and had the balls/tech they would take on Russia for swathes of Siberia.


This is why I admire the determination and grit of the Japanese from after the Meiji Restoration till WW2, the only Asian (heck, world) nation that was able to:


1. Take it up to the Whites
2. Actually win a war against White Russia


I reckon the Japanese got ahead of themselves - had they stopped at say Korea + Manchuria + Sakhalin (whole island), they would have kept most of those lands today. Note that all this land also has some connection, they're more or less the same people (Northern Asia) and there is certainly an affinity, heck, form a confederation if you have to.
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Old 05-29-2019, 11:22 AM
 
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If Japan kept Taiwan , only in your imagination, mandarin would not be spoken widely in Taiwan.

Very few Taiwanese could speak mandarin when it was ruled by Japan.
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Old 05-29-2019, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Be frank. Japanese are not good colonizers. For example, out of the so many colonies it ever occupied, the only one it ever succeeded in colonizing is Ryukyu Kingdom (Nowadays Okinawa). But Satsuma Daimyo had colonized it since 1605. And Ryukyu had its share of Potato Famine under Japanese occupation.

And Japan never knew how to stop its ambition. For example, Kanji Ishihara, who masterminded the Mukden (Shenyang) Incident of 1931, advised the Japanese military to stop further expansion until it could digest its colonies. But his advice was not heeded.
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Old 05-29-2019, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Chiang Kai Shek had committed many mistakes. But I think the people of Taiwan should thank him. Without his insistence in the Cairo Declaration in 1943, Taiwan might have become completely devastated like Okinawa in 1945 under General MacArthur's "Island Hopping" strategy.

What is Chiang's biggest mistake? Of course losing China in the short Civil War. IMO he shouldn't send the 1 million+ Japanese POWs home right after the war. Stalin took hundreds of thousands Kwantung Army POWs to Siberia for hard labor till death.

Chiang should deploy those POWs into Civil War against CCP's Eighth Route Army. These Japanese soldiers still retained fighting capability. As late as early 1945, they still inflicted huge damage to CCP-controlled areas.

With Japanese soldiers on the front line and ROC soldiers on the second line, Eighth Route Army could surely be defeated.

Would such act be immoral?

That is exactly what Mao did with the ROC POWs in the Korean War. General Peng disguised these POWs as "Voluntary Army" and put them on the front line as a part of "Human Wave War", then the real Communist soldiers on the second line. That is how the Korean War could come into impasse after Mao "expended" these undesirables. After the armistice, most of those "Voluntary Army" POWs chose to go to Taiwan instead of China.

Mao's only miscalculation was he sent his oldest son to the war too. Of course, Mao Jr was not at the front line but accidentally became fatality of the B-52 even though he was back at the headquarter.
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Old 05-29-2019, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Back to OP, Japan couldn't even keep the Kuril Islands, how could it keep the more far away Southern Sakhalin?

But if US had invaded Kuril at end of WWII, Japan might have a chance to recover Kuril as it did with Okinawa in 1971.

In fact, Japan was confined to the 4 main islands as stipulated in the Potsdam Declaration in early 1945. Korea was granted independence. Taiwan, Pescadores (Penghu) and Manchuria were given to ROC in Cairo Declaration.

Others like the Japanese occupied islands in Western Pacific, Okinawa, Kuril and Sakhalin were up for grab.
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Old 05-30-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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Taiwan was skipped from the island hopping strategy, US got back Luzon, skipped Taiwan which is between the Ryukyu Islands and Luzon. Attacked Okinawa after Luzon.

Using a former enemy to fight a civil war? The generals would not trust their loyalty.



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Chiang Kai Shek had committed many mistakes. But I think the people of Taiwan should thank him. Without his insistence in the Cairo Declaration in 1943, Taiwan might have become completely devastated like Okinawa in 1945 under General MacArthur's "Island Hopping" strategy.

With Japanese soldiers on the front line and ROC soldiers on the second line, Eighth Route Army could surely be defeated.

Would such act be immoral?
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Old 05-30-2019, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Using a former enemy to fight a civil war? The generals would not trust their loyalty.
It is open secret that Chiang kept a team of Japanese military advisers while he was in Taiwan. The fortification at Kinmen Island was actually designed by them.
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Old 06-01-2019, 07:19 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Letís say Japan roles back on aggression and never gets into the second Sino-Japanese war / WWII, and peaceably relinquished Korea. It then offers material aid to the Allies in exchange for Sakhalin from the Soviet Union. Thatís another alternative history to the arguably more unlikely one of winning WW2 and with likely much better results which would still include keeping ahold of Taiwan and Sakhalin.
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Old 06-03-2019, 06:50 PM
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Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Japan had very legit reason to worry about Western aggression and were trying to lift their neighbors up before they got pillaged, too.
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