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Old 05-11-2016, 07:09 PM
 
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As a khmer, the subject of khmer and javanese people being linked historically, culturally and possibly genetically, has long held a deep interest in me. I would love to get other members input on this. When i see javanese people, i instantly feel a close kinship to them rather than all of cambodias mainland neighbors who are recent foreign migrants from chinas southern frontier. Heck, i dont even feel much of an affinity with the other austroasiatic mon-khmer groups, including the mon, who are supposedly close cousins of the khmer.

I know there is a historic link that was recorded but was there such migrations of both khmer and javanese maybe coming from the same place of origin? One group settled in mainland while the other in the archaepelego island of java. The link must be deeper than just cultural influences and exchanges.

Ps, please do not turn this thread into a flare up of racial animosity and prejudice. This a legitimate subject id like to discuss without the above included.
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Old 05-11-2016, 09:02 PM
 
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Geneticist and human migrations specialist Stephen Oppenheimer says that the islands in the sea off of SE Asia used to be part of SE Asia, during the Ice Ages, and that man spread to Asia from there. Sundaland, he calls it. So it makes sense that there would be a connection between some Javanese and Khmer. Look up Oppenheimer on Amazon.com, the bookseller, and you'll see a number of books. One of them is devoted to exactly this topic: Sundaland as one cradle of humanity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundaland


http://www.amazon.com/Eden-East-Drow...en+Oppenheimer
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Old 05-11-2016, 09:41 PM
 
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Hmm, thanks for the link and info.. Not too interested in what happened during the ice ages as everyone in the region may have shared common lineage. More interested in recent time when cultures and traditions were forming.

Almost like me asking hey white and black people share something in common, and someone replies with a "why yes... Back during the ice ages, modern humans left africa" theory.. No offense
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Old 05-15-2016, 12:26 PM
 
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Hmm, thanks for the link and info.. Not too interested in what happened during the ice ages as everyone in the region may have shared common lineage. More interested in recent time when cultures and traditions were forming.

Almost like me asking hey white and black people share something in common, and someone replies with a "why yes... Back during the ice ages, modern humans left africa" theory.. No offense

as far as i know, in history, everyone in the region was khmer in mainland southeast asia....thai and vietnamese people and laos people came from china much later to southeast asia which was all inhibited by aborigin khmer...
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Old 05-16-2016, 12:22 AM
 
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yes, khmer was one of many groups among the austro-asiatic speaking population to filtered through the region in ancient times some 2500-3000 years ago. originally from a region that is todays yunnan province in southwestern china, according to some sources i read long ago. the tai populations were late arrivals. the vietnamese have austro-asiatic roots in the northernmost part of vietnam along todays chinese border. so they could be considered 'native' as well.

but what do you know about the javanese people of indonesia? their history, culture, etc. thanks..
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Old 05-16-2016, 11:00 PM
 
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Recent research reveals all the inhabitants of thailand, loas, Khemer,burmese all comes from Southeast Asia and not otherwise come from china.
I think there is closeness Khemer and Javanese both of culture and history .
Javanese is divided into two ( 2 )
- West Java (sundanese )
- East Java / middle (Javanese)
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Old 05-16-2016, 11:03 PM
 
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Default sundanese music

West Java "Sundanese" music and custome, you can assess how she looks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_qWnTBviTk
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Old 05-17-2016, 01:53 AM
 
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Recent research reveals all the inhabitants of thailand, loas, Khemer,burmese all comes from Southeast Asia and not otherwise come from china.
I think there is closeness Khemer and Javanese both of culture and history .
Javanese is divided into two ( 2 )
- West Java (sundanese )
- East Java / middle (Javanese)

this is ansolute bull****...no recent research can turn out to be opposite of the historical fact...they are aborigin khmer blood in thailand, and laos...
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Old 05-17-2016, 10:10 AM
 
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Recent research reveals all the inhabitants of thailand, loas, Khemer,burmese all comes from Southeast Asia and not otherwise come from china.
I think there is closeness Khemer and Javanese both of culture and history .
Javanese is divided into two ( 2 )
- West Java (sundanese )
- East Java / middle (Javanese)
do you happened to have a source? its very much possible.. i read the tai and austronesians are related genetically somehow. but austroasiatics are by far, one of the oldest group to have inhabited not only SEA but india as well. i take that back, the mon-khmer group did not arrive only 3000 years ago. it appears they arrived much earlier, like 4000-5000 years ago. present day population is also a bit misleading especially for the respective countries you mentioned. the population of thailand and laos especially have a good deal of genetic admixture of mon, khmer, kui, khmu, etc.. all indigenous inhabitants. also, what china was to korea and japan, is what cambodia was to laos and thailand. the khmer contributed to both countries genetically and culturally.
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Old 05-17-2016, 10:26 AM
 
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West Java "Sundanese" music and custome, you can assess how she looks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_qWnTBviTk
the khmer royal court dances are said to have derived from the javanese tradition. also, the influences can be seen in the classical angkorian architecture and even the royal processions. the language is however, very different. what is the word for 'fish' in malay or the spoken language of java? the khmer seem to be the odd one out in this respect because all other austroasiatic languages in SEA seem to share the same word for fish which is 'ka' in khmu of northern laos. the heavily sinocized vietnamese its called 'ca'. fish in khmer is 'trei'.
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