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Old 07-20-2016, 12:12 PM
 
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Yes, I don't know why the Chinese even bother always trying to bribe these folks. Just take out the whole Filipino navy, which will tke about 30 minutes max with just the Chinese coast guards, and take back all those little islands and start building them up. The US won't do a thing.

Chinese wishy washy eunuch attitude at work.
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:24 PM
 
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the Filipinos dont take bribe that's why they went to court. tell that to your lackeys in Laos and Cambodia and Myanmar and to all those countries who you courted with aid just to support your bogus claims in the SCS
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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No not directly they didn't, but in much the same fashion they did as it was the French and British primarily that were coercing them to work on "their" side with direct negotiations while they tried to eliminate the outside threat (the other). Throw the American Colonists in there and it made for a real interesting game of "Who's side are you on?" In the end, it was a power struggle between the big guys, leaving the natives to be controlled by the winner.

The Philippines are just modern day Native Americans in this game of cat & bigger cat in a desperate grab for resources.

No one is right but in the end, it's the Phils that has the most to lose.
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Old 07-20-2016, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Yes, I don't know why the Chinese even bother always trying to bribe these folks. Just take out the whole Filipino navy, which will tke about 30 minutes max with just the Chinese coast guards, and take back all those little islands and start building them up. The US won't do a thing.
No - if the Chinese did start attacking the Philippines, the US most likely would do something.

The fact that the Chinese don't do anything so rash as a bunch of keyboard warriors would love to see happen is due in large part to the fact that the US would intervene militarily, and despite all your talk about "shiny new SU35's" and all that, the US Navy would be able to bring the PLA Navy to its knees if it felt so inclined - and China knows it.

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Chinese wishy washy eunuch attitude at work.
More like actual career military and politicians who are privvy to a hell of a lot more than any of us will ever be, doing their jobs and preventing a bunch of bonehead nationalist ideologues from starting WW3.

The US Navy's top admiral met with the PLA Navy's top admiral yesterday, and I can guarantee you that the talk more or less boiled down to this: you keep building your little islands; we keep sailing our ships and flying our planes through there; we keep trading with one another; and no one fires a shot. That would be very, very bad for business.
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Old 07-20-2016, 01:50 PM
 
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No - if the Chinese did start attacking the Philippines, the US most likely would do something.

The fact that the Chinese don't do anything so rash as a bunch of keyboard warriors would love to see happen is due in large part to the fact that the US would intervene militarily, and despite all your talk about "shiny new SU35's" and all that, the US Navy would be able to bring the PLA Navy to its knees if it felt so inclined - and China knows it.


More like actual career military and politicians who are privvy to a hell of a lot more than any of us will ever be, doing their jobs and preventing a bunch of bonehead nationalist ideologues from starting WW3.

The US Navy's top admiral met with the PLA Navy's top admiral yesterday, and I can guarantee you that the talk more or less boiled down to this: you keep building your little islands; we keep sailing our ships and flying our planes through there; we keep trading with one another; and no one fires a shot. That would be very, very bad for business.
I don't think a war will happen and certainly don't hope for a war over this, but I also don't think if China and the Philippines actually do start to have military conflicts, the US would send its navy to get involved directly. What does it get in return, safety of a small country that doesn't matter? One would be foolish to believe US get into wars for some sort of justice.


Just like the US let Ukraine have Crimea, it will let China have what it wants in SCS (which is far less than outright annexation of land belonging to another country).


Additionally, the Philippines are smart and I don't think they would seek to be confrontational with China, which will always be its biggest neighbour.
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Old 07-20-2016, 06:46 PM
 
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No - if the Chinese did start attacking the Philippines, the US most likely would do something.

The fact that the Chinese don't do anything so rash as a bunch of keyboard warriors would love to see happen is due in large part to the fact that the US would intervene militarily, and despite all your talk about "shiny new SU35's" and all that, the US Navy would be able to bring the PLA Navy to its knees if it felt so inclined - and China knows it.


More like actual career military and politicians who are privvy to a hell of a lot more than any of us will ever be, doing their jobs and preventing a bunch of bonehead nationalist ideologues from starting WW3.

The US Navy's top admiral met with the PLA Navy's top admiral yesterday, and I can guarantee you that the talk more or less boiled down to this: you keep building your little islands; we keep sailing our ships and flying our planes through there; we keep trading with one another; and no one fires a shot. That would be very, very bad for business.
You are right that war is bad for business, but sometimes sovereignty trumps business, at least for China. Top frontline ships from all three of China's fleets were brought together for a huge naval and air-power exercise just recently. They are there to face the two carrier task forces of the USN. The US then quietly withdrew the two carriers and left only three destroyers. And these destroyers were sailing outside of China's 9 dash line. So I don't think the US is really prepared to confront China head on. The Chinese fleet is staying in the SCS for an indefinite future.
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Old 07-20-2016, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Typical petty cat fight started by China who constantly acts like an entitled 5 YO.
Get your self educated first. Philippine started it. Of cause this is big daddy US's idea.
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Old 07-20-2016, 08:56 PM
 
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@jkmac ......Maybe don't start a sentence with "Get your self educated" when you can't spell......lol
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Old 07-20-2016, 09:54 PM
 
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If speculations are correct, the following sequence of events have been laid out (some already happened, others will happen):

1). US bribed Philippine president to go to the Hague for SCS arbitration.
2). The philippines secures favorable arbitration rulings.
3). The Philippines invites US military actions to enforce arbitration rulings by taking China occupied islands.
4). China attacks to regain the islands.
5). Full scale war between US and China in the SCS and in the Philippines (Vietnam war style carpet bombing, agent orange, napalms etc.).
6). WWIII.
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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If speculations are correct, the following sequence of events have been laid out (some already happened, others will happen):

1). US bribed Philippine president to go to the Hague for SCS arbitration.
2). The philippines secures favorable arbitration rulings.
3). The Philippines invites US military actions to enforce arbitration rulings by taking China occupied islands.
4). China attacks to regain the islands.
5). Full scale war between US and China in the SCS and in the Philippines (Vietnam war style carpet bombing, agent orange, napalms etc.).
6). WWIII.
Im not sure where all this comes from. Do people really think that the US is itching to go to war with China of all places so badly? The cold war lasted four decades and there were lots of citizens and people in the gov't who wanted to go to war with the Soviets; never happened because it would have been totally senseless to do so. It would be even more senseless to do so with a major trading partner, especially one whose worst enemy is its own lack of national unity and complicated economic situation.

Also: this may come as a shock to Westerners (Americans and Canadians in particular) who have grown up with the idea of "Asia" and "Asians" as a unified, culturally-similar group, but the Philippines hasn't ever really been a fan of China. Basically none of China's neighbors is particularly fond of it, nor are they necessarily fond of each other! The Philippines didn't need American "bribery" to go to the Hague, or decide they wanted to sock it to China. If they and Vietnam didn't care about the SCS and hadn't asked the US to intervene on their behalf, the US would be largely disinterested in the situation.

The Philippines kicked the US out of Subic Bay and now wants them back. Vietnam and the US fought a famous, bloody war and now wants their assistance. That should tell you something about China's standing in the region.
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